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How to read this???? Sol-Fa notation
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Kiara
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Helloooo!

Once again I hope this is the right section to put this in. 🙂

I hope everyone is going well, I haven't been around much lately so hello again.

I came across this on the weekend, it's an old hymn book that belonged to my Grandma, I have seen many hymn books but none like this.

Does anyone know how to read it or anything about it?? Thanks 😀

Kiara

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Well, looks like it is written in basically a Solfeggio type of notation.

Do Re Mi Fa So La Ti Do

 

the Se would be a flatted fifth.  The ' mark maybe indicates a note sung in the next octave up.

 

I'm just guessing though, since I don't recall ever seeing this type of notation.

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@Kiara: Is there a publishing date inside the front cover ?

That may be helpful in your search.

 

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Looks like you were on the right track @DanielB, after I actually did a little bit of research and had a closer look at the book it's written in what's called Sol-Fa Notation, I'd never heard of it before...

@Fiddlestix I can't find a publishing date...

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Interesting.

That was the first musical notation ( well, the notes, not the clever symbology which in places looks like some early from of smileys :-,    LOL ) I was aware of, around the age of 6 or 7 when I was starting to get interested in music.

It's cool, because it is "key independent" - so if you're out and about, in the absence of any tuner or instrument, or clever mobile app etc etc, and just humming or whistling something, or making something up, pick your home note (doesn't matter what it really is, you could be "tuned" to 50 cents below D) and build your scale from there - it does not matter.  

Work on that tune in "do re mi fa so la ti do' " etc ( W, W H W, W, W, H intervals ) then when you finally get to an instrument or reference tone, you've got the intervals fixed, regardless of key it really ought to be played in...  and it should be playable ( !! )

Opening to Ashokan Farewell:  so ti do'

Quiz: Name this tune in 6 notes:  mi so so, mi re do   [ how's that pronounced?  well, try this - "mee sew sew, mee ray doh ]

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Thanks @BillyG that makes sense.

This is all very interesting. 🙂

My question now would be: How do you know how the timing works? And does anyone know what all those other symbols mean, apart from the letters?

I think this might have something to do with Sacred Harp Hymns, has anyone heard of those? or maybe Sacred Harp Hymns have something to do with this. 😉

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@Kiara - I had never heard of the Scary Harp ( !! ) - but researching it - I see it was / is used in an a cappella form for choral voice.  I immediately get the connection, although I believe Sacred Harp notatoin is probably an evolution of the basic solfeggio or "Solfège" principle - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S.....lf%C3%A8ge

 

EDIT:  OK, I couldn't resist - concerning our investigations here, we could say, "sol fa, so good then".......

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You have piqued my interest - here's a clue to the rhythm components -

http://www.oocities.org/drbobs.....rhythm.htm

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Hmmm... yes... LOL

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@BilllyG first of all I am totally rooting for that 'Sol fa so good' I did have a little chuckle when I read that. Similar sense of humour maybe? rofl

It was my sister that found out about the Sacred Harp Hymns, but we both thought it was pretty cool. I think the notation is different but they do the hand movements that was shown in the wiki site I think...??

Thanks for the clue, I think we are doing pretty well with our investigations, or I should probably say that you are doing well with the investigations, I haven't really done anything.

Sol fa so good then Bill, keep up the good work. 😉

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Woo hoo @Uzi !   You're the man !

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LOL, I refused taking solfege in school.
Great find Uzi. 🙂

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@Uzi yay! thankyou, what a great find! Will have to take a look at that later on. 🙂

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