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Just ordered a Pernambuco Bow from the Fiddlershop
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I just ordered a Pernambuco Bow from the Fiddlershop.

I figured that it was about time for a new bow. My FM CF bow has been played and cleaned many a time and I think that the hair is getting a bit tired.

I could have had the FM CF bow rehaired or I had the option to 'upgrade'

After some thought I went for upgrade, but then had to think, upgrade to what?

After some more thought I decided that it would be nice to have a 'real' pernambuco bow. (not one of those things that pretend to be pernambuco that you so often see on eBay)

And then I had to think, where do I get this bow and how do I know that it's going to be the genuine stuff. I could have gone down to my local music shop. Nice guys all who have never steered me wrong, but not really 'violin' folk. It's Blues and Jazz in this town.

And then I remembered a recent post asking if they could trust Pierre when it come to buying a bow 'online'. And in my reply I said that I would totally trust FM on any violin associated purchase. 

Problem solved. It was just a matter of putting my money where my mouth is and buy from the Fiddlershop. 

Can't to get my hands on it. (I hope they pop in an FM pencil or two)rofl

Oh, and just a suggestion to @Fiddlerman Pierre, change the listing on the Fiddlershop to 'Affordable Pernambuco Bow' not 'Cheap Pernambuco Bow'. Doesn't sound good ;)

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CONGRATS !!  I want to see a review video when you get it. And yes, I agree, change cheap to affordable...it just sounds so, well, cheap

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Barry said
CONGRATS !!  I want to see a review video when you get it. And yes, I agree, change cheap to affordable...it just sounds so, well, cheap

@Barry

Will do Barry.

Its the third bow that I've bought from the Fiddlershop. The others are the CF violin and the CF viola.

I 'do' like to support my local shop when I can, but on this one I trusted FM more. Not because they would intentionally sell me a 'dud' but I had to trust Pierre's experience rather than that of a Blues guitar player.

And, along with the fore said, I thought it would be a good way to support and thank FM for his work and effort in keeping this forum up and running. It's a great asset to us all.

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Congrats John.. It's like Christmas in July!! :)

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coolpinkone said
Congrats John.. It's like Christmas in July!! :)

It is rather. But actually an early birthday present to myself. (Aug 25th)

I realise that even though it's 'Pernambuco', it's not a magic wand that will make all of my bowing problems go away. :)

But it would have been nice if it was endorsed by Harry Potter :)

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Take it down to the crossroads at midnight and start playing, before long a man will show up and tune your fiddle and tighten your bow..he'll ask you to sign a contract ,at that point snatch your fiddle back and haul ass

 

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ha ha.. I'd like to think our bows are our wands... and that the "Wizard doesn't choose the wand, rather the wand chooses the Wizard."  ha ha.. ok.. not true.. but what if?

:)  I hope on my 3 year anniversary  12/20/2014 I will get the same bow. I am thinking Christmas Prezzie.... :)  

I am using a bow now that is not CF. I have to CF and I like them.  But a while back I got a bow on a super clearance.  I think it is like a 50 dollar wood bow.. ( I got it for 7.95).. I am playing with it now.  IT is really much more nice than the cheap bows that came with my pinky Violin... But in the realm of wood bows I don't really know what is good bad or different. 

I don't even know if I could do a good bow justice.  But  I do think pretty soon I am due for a "special to me" bow for all my love and dedication to the violin. :)

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I agree about the name. It was called quality Pernambuco bow at first. Michael did some research and read that people search for "cheap" plus they figure we mean cheap in the sense of price. I objected at first but then allowed him to change the name. Right after he did it we got a burst of sales. LOL
It kind of died down to a normal rate of sales on those bows after a while though.
We were told by the distributor that some of the Brick and Mortar stores are charging $1000 for those bows. It's crazy isn't it. I don't think I could sleep at night.
Since the bows are made of quality Pernambuco, and made in China without a stamp, the dealers can say anything they like about the bows to raise the price.
We will rename it following your suggestions. Thanks John and Barry

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Fiddlerman said
I agree about the name. It was called quality Pernambuco bow at first. Michael did some research and read that people search for "cheap" plus they figure we mean cheap in the sense of price. I objected at first but then allowed him to change the name. Right after he did it we got a burst of sales. LOL
It kind of died down to a normal rate of sales on those bows after a while though.
We were told by the distributor that some of the Brick and Mortar stores are charging $1000 for those bows. It's crazy isn't it. I don't think I could sleep at night.
Since the bows are made of quality Pernambuco, and made in China without a stamp, the dealers can say anything they like about the bows to raise the price.
We will rename it following your suggestions. Thanks John and Barry

Hey, if the word cheap is making sales then,yeah, Id leave it..lol

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@Fiddlerman

Pierre

You make a very good point about the word 'cheap' when you talk of things that people search for. And if it's working for you don't change it.

The search engine 'robots'  most definately  look at the words within a web page and rank pages for the relevance of those words in relation to search terms.

However, I think you can use the word 'affordable' in the page as the discription of the item for sale and work the word 'cheap' into the rest of the text.

It was just that I found it a bit 'off putting' to see the description as a 'cheap' pernambuco bow as often that word is associated with of 'questionable quality'

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I agree with the name change to, "Affordable Pernambuco".

I was thinking about buying one myself until I realized something. I play all my songs using four different bows and that I play all the songs the same, no matter which bow I use. The bow I get the best sound from is one I bought about twenty years ago for $225.00 (Brazilwood) it gives me a more mellow sound, but is rather flimsy even though the stick itself has thickness compared to any other bow I have, therefore I have to tighten the hairs to nearly 3/4" between stick and hair.

I also have a 130 yo. pernambuco, a $25.00 Glasser f/g bow about 20 years old which gave me a kinda raspy harsh tone until I did a slight experiment with it. Being that the fiberglass stick is hollow I decided to drill a 3/32" hole all the way through the stick about 3" from the frog and 3" from the tip, then approx. every three inches or so between those holes, but only drilling into the hollow of the stick, not all the way through. It mellowed the sound considerably. My idea was that IF the quality of the stick makes a difference in sound then why not use/try, "Bose"™ concept of sound waves through hollow tubes. (the stick being the hollow tube)

WARNING!!. I don't recommend that you start drilling holes in your FM / CF bow(s). This was just an experiment I did with a CHEAP $25.00 glass bow, but it seemed to work ok for me, the sound did change.

One more point i'll touch on is the quality of the horsehair. Did it come from a live or dead horse. Is the hair course or fine. I understand that fine hair produces a more mellow sound and that most horse hair comes from dead animals. Just what I've read somewhere.

In conclusion: The quality of the bow, be it $10.00 or $10,000.00 won't make you a better player, only hours and hours of practice can do that for you,only hours and hours of practice can stop the "bouncing" bow, but it may improve your mental attitude and for a brief time you can become a, "David" or a "Hillary", lol IMHO.

Enjoy.     violin-1267 pink-violin-girl

 

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@Fiddlestix 

Ken

In an earlier post in this thread I did say,

"I realise that even though it's 'Pernambuco', it's not a magic wand that will make all of my bowing problems go away. But it would have been nice if it was endorsed by Harry Potter"

But I'm sure that you would agree, as a worker with wood, that the best possible tools will give the best possible result.

I would rather have a bow that is superior to my abilities than one that is less. At least that way I know that if I'm bowing badly the problem is 'me' and not the tool. :)

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@@Fiddlestyx I like that you gave us your experience. I like that perspective .

@Ferret I also believe in giving oneself the best option.  🙂  I am going to get a nice bow this year. :)

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If the word "cheap" is drawing biz, I'd say keep it and defend it's use as one of your sales points.

You could point out that for an actual pernambuco bow that is well enough made to deserve to be called a bow, that the ~$250 price is as low as it can really be done for an item of such quality and as such is "cheap" so far as the real thing can ever be.

...and that anything much cheaper, like 25$ on ebay or something, pretty much has to be either not actual pernambuco, or will have quality issues so bad that the buyer probably won't be happy with it as a bow.

"Affordable" is a nicer word, sure.. But sales is about drawing attention to the selling points.  Sometimes a little "rude" can work better for that than "nice".

For the sake of those actually buying it, maybe make the invoice read "Pernambuco bow that some places charge a grand for" in place of "cheap bow".  LOL

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DanielB said

For the sake of those actually buying it, maybe make the invoice read "Pernambuco bow that some places charge a grand for" in place of "cheap bow".  LOL

True Dan 

The invoice does say, "Cheap Pernambuco Bow." lol

And I thought to myself, "No, I didn't buy a 'cheap' pernambuco bow. I bought a good pernambuco bow that I could afford."

:)

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Not that making money is what it's all about but it puts food on our tables. :)
I like making money and helping others save money at the same time. I won't walk over people to do it but I'll use gimmicks like "cheap" if it helps LOL.
We're trying something new now. We'll see how it goes.
"Cheap" will be in the URL and in the tags but not the description.

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@Fiddlerman

Pierre.

Didn't mean to make life difficult when I mentioned it mate.

I'm happy that its good AND cheapthumbs-up

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Ferret.

I get more greedy satisfaction from saying "Would you believe that this bow was cheap?" versus  a more civilized "was affordable" which just does not do justice to my shrewd gambles.  My collection of cheap everything bears ample witness to my shopping skills.

PS  Ever been to St. George in Bristol for music?

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Currently the ad reads:

These generic bows should cost many times more....
 
Pernambuco Bow
There's nothing cheap about these genuine, high quality,  yet affordable pernambuco bows..
 
That should SEO out well for cheap/genuine/quality/affordable and pernambuco
 
 
Oh, and John congratulations on the new bow.  I have one and I can tell you that there's nothing cheap about these genuine, high quality, yet affordable pernambuco bows.

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Thanks Uzi :)

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