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Sharps, Flats, Naturals
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dionysia said
I love it, but they spelled "Denise" wrong in the title and my last name isn't Kruger....

Ha ha ... self-deprecatory wit ... it indicates that you don't suffer from Dunning-Kruger.

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I think you are all wrong, or right. You definitely could be partially right, or wrong depending on your feeling, belief or misunderstanding in either your teaching, learning, absorbing, findings, musings, or humor.

To me, this is the hardest thing in music to understand. It may seem simplistic, but again to me, I stumble over it time and again. I can look at the major and minor scales written and think to myself, well, this should be easy, and it is. I can play and be happy and record it for all posterity. Then,  i locate the very same scale online that some 4 year old musical prodigy recorded 3.5 years ago.... I find my wonderful series of recorded string vibrations not exactly matching the actual tone (read frequency for lack of a finite definition) of the said recorded scale.

I can slide my fingers up and down "higher or lower" pitch reading the accidentals and struggling on when to revert back, if I need to revert back or even care to revert back to the scale's requirements the music is written in. Then, lets not forget music in a scale when you don't even touch the note the scale is written on. If I don't need to know about it particularly if it really doesn't make a single bit of difference, then don't tell me about it. I don't wear golf shoes scuba diving. Telling me your new sporting good store has a great deal on them won't get me to become a patron (or a golfer).

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Ty - dont let my stupidity confuse you. I also believe in Bigfoots, ghosts, aliens and govt conspiracies.

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You guy's keep talkiing about "accidental's",,, are they note's you play correctly by accident ?   dunno

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Googled it, wiki explains it very clearly. heres a link

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A.....tal_(music)

now how can you argue with that?

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Accidentals are noted played to adifferent scale then what the music or measure was written at. It has a.....a..... *sigh* .... sharp, flat, or natural symbol next to the note.

From what I have read, you are supposed to keep playing at the note's new fingering (sharp, flat, natural) until it is again announced by the little hateful symbols to do something else with it.

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An accidental is a sharp #, flat b, or natural sign ♮, that is not part of the origional key signature. It lasts only the measure it is in or until cancelled by another accidental in that same measure. It only applys to the pitch it is on and not to all the pitches in the measure.

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Tyberius said

A Flat lowers your note by 1 semitone

A Sharp raises your note by 1 semitone

a Natural is the note.

I look at a fingering chart for first position E string (example). The F note flat is the same as a E sharp. An F natural is an F sharp but it's also a G flat. What in the name of blazes am I even looking at or trying to deduce from my beloved information (which may be wrong). Why have a sharp at all if its the next note's flat? Why have a flat if its the previous note's sharp? Why have any sharp or flat at all if people use vibrato to mask tone/fingering mistakes all together.

In general 'sharper' means higher pitched, and 'flatter' means lower pitched, however ...

When tuning your instrument or fingering a note, or any other time you are concerned with intonation, a pitch that is too high is called "sharp", and one that is too low is called "flat".  Such an error, although detectable by the ear, is usually (hopefully!) relatively small.  This kind of flat or sharp may be masked, as you mention, by vibrato, or it may be corrected by adjusting the finger position or by using the tuning peg or fine tuner.

"Sharp" and "flat" are also used to refer to intended increments higher or lower in the chromatic scale.  These increments are much larger (hopefully!) than the small errors mentioned above.  They are equal to one-twelfth of an octave and can easily be five or ten times as large as sharp/flat errors.  Such an increment is as big as the difference between two piano keys next to each other.  These are called semitones or half-steps.

A little time spent with a chromatic fingering chart (such as http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F....._chart.svg), your violin, and a chromatic tuner should make the above perfectly clear, in case you still have doubts.  It should also enable you to correct a couple errors in your original question above.

If you really have any fingering chart or book or web page that tells you that F natural and F# are the same, please be sure to discard it at the next opportunity.  Further, any thought at this stage that (for example)  Bb and A# are different would probably bring you little other than confusion.  There are conditions under which they are different, but like almost all high-school and grade-school musicians, you can ignore those conditions for now.

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