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Any fertile soil left for composition?
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I mean avoiding those dictators that are leaving a ruin behind with their modern crap or else dictum.

If I had any talent I would try and revive the String Trio (violin, viola, cello configuration only).  You have Beethoven's monumental work to ride the coattails of plus a fairly vacant parking lot to build on.  You could form a new trio and play (if I can ever learn this damn instrument) the piece yourself rather than beg the dictators for orchestra access.  The instruments are transportable unlike the piano and perhaps even the wealthy pigman would be so kind to toss a few coins at my feet.

But, alas, it is only a dream.

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Just because some idea or fad is popular doesnt make it right.

Keeping yourself insulated from the fashonable without being conspicuous is a sign of noble character. 

Be friendly, but be wise, and use your senses to celebrate the beauty in truth.

As pertaining to composition, there is plenty of fertile ground beneath the arts left to perceive and apprehend; the trick is to aviod searching for popularity, and then to march strictly by the beat of your own drum.

If you create beauty, you will know it in your soul.  If others admire it, be humble.

Life affords opportunities a plenty with too little time to grasp all. I suggest, and not to the gifted alone, to search not only in your own heart, but in wisdom as well, and reach within measures the creation of fellowship.

Thats about as far as my thinking takes me!!!!    And thats not very far.

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Well today's composers are maybe not following the chamber music etc idea but they still make awesome music. I adore Jeremy Soule who composes mostly for video games but also tv and films (check out any orchestral of Morrowind per exemple). Music is in constant evolution that is why we don't see many people composing medieval music these days even though there is still a LOT of people enjoying the old sound.

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Barbers Adagio! Written in the 1920's I believe.
Original music! Love it and it sounds like it has been around since the 1800's!!

( all this seriosity is giving me a headache, must be time for some flippancy!! )

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and to my surprise I still have most of it left!

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There's always room for more original songs. Don't waste your time trying to talk so complicated. Use your mind to write a song and don't waste your time trying to sound so smart. I'm just saying. I've been reading a lot of posts here lately by some people and I can't get past the first 2 sentences cause I get so bored trying to figure out what you are really trying to say? Pick up that fiddle and jam! And I'm not trying to be rude to anyone. It's just my simple mind expressing my feelings 😉

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myguitarnow said

There's always room for more original songs. Don't waste your time trying to talk so complicated. Use your mind to write a song and don't waste your time trying to sound so smart. I'm just saying. I've been reading a lot of posts here lately by some people and I can't get past the first 2 sentences cause I get so bored trying to figure out what you are really trying to say? Pick up that fiddle and jam! And I'm not trying to be rude to anyone. It's just my simple mind expressing my feelings 😉

What HE said. exactly

"If you practice with your hands you must practice all day. Practice with your mind and you can accomplish the same amount in minutes." Nathan Milstein

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Short answer, yes. It's all up to the composer.

Interestingly, computers can write original compositions given the right program. I had a classmate interested in the "uncanny valley" so he programmed a computer to analyze the compositions of the great composers such as Bach and Mozart and then write an original composition in the same style. He then found human-composed pieces also written in the style of those two composers. Finally, he did a blind test with volunteers to see if people could tell the difference between the two. The data came back right at chance. No one could tell the difference between the computer composition and the human one. Also, the computer composition and the human composition were not rated significantly differently in quality.

The really interesting part is that, when my classmate told people which piece was human composed and which was computer composed, the human composed piece was rated as being significantly "better" than the other. His thought was that the reason for this change in opinion was that art is considered to come from the soul and so there is some bias in art evaluation based on this aspect.

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Why would the programmer expect anything but generic Bach/Mozart output from initial Bach/Mozart data base ?  (GIGO?)

(It doesn't matter.  The last good music was the Beatles.  After that, music got worse and lyrics got raunchier)(and louder)(mostly louder).

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Fortunately for us all, the beautiful moving music created by loving masters were derived through intellect and force of will.  These were composers who trained persistently and gained favor in kings courts because they spoke intelligently to the issues of the day and brought within the chamber skillfully crafted pieces that vibrated pleasantly through the grand halls where well dressed and educated participants thrilled and danced.

Do not lower yourself to the commoner status of those (as in, some of respondents in these threads) who accept popular cacophony as "COOL".

 In striving for clear beauty, one must elevate above and beyond the typical horde of chanting hyenas who would prefer to adulterate your vision and drag you down to the jungle floor and consume your talent as if flesh from a fawn, to be regurgitated or defecated into something of which THEY are familiar.

Use your intellect and forget about critics or antagonists who fear the dictionary and propagate false wisdom.  They are the multitude who remain base and tasteless, and who copy poorly rather than create beauty and truth. 

 

Clear your house of them and work to create beauty as if they exist not.         

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Oliver said

Why would the programmer expect anything but generic Bach/Mozart output from initial Bach/Mozart data base ?  (GIGO?)

The purpose wasn't to get something outside of the Bach/Mozart style. The Bach/Mozart styles were just an experimental control to prevent type of music from influencing the outcome.

The first goal was to determine if listeners could tell the difference in a blind test between a computer-composed work and a human-composed work if the composers used the same parameters. (They couldn't.)

The second goal was to determine if listeners' opinions on the subjective quality of the music would change on knowing a piece was computer-composed. (They did.)

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OK.  I think I misread the post and I understand what you're saying.   At first, I also missed that you eventually informed the listeners of the true identities.

Interesting test.

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...typical horde of chanting hyenas...

Joe, I LOVE the imagery in your posts!!!!

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Oliver said

OK.  I think I misread the post and I understand what you're saying.   At first, I also missed that you eventually informed the listeners of the true identities.

Interesting test.

coffee2

Sorry, I was probably unclear the first time around. It's the week before finals and my brain is overloading. dazed

It was a classmate of mine who did the experiment. I just found it fascinating because I am interested in how technology and perception interact. laugh

I should probably just stay off the Interwebs until after finals. (Must. Not. Procrasinate. Any. Longer.)

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About fertile soil.  We're standing in it.

There is a composer who is 100's of years away from where he belongs but he is alive and well today.  He is incredible which may be why nobody ever heard of him.

Born in 1955.  Writes for all popular instruments.   To me, he sounds very much like Mozart.

He has several dozen compositions and a large block for baroque recorder.

The one and only Michael Starke.  Sort of like back to the future. (mp3s below)

 

 

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Oliver said
About fertile soil.  We're standing in it.

Hear, hear.

 

The one and only Michael Starke.  Sort of like back to the future.

Whoa.  Still picking my jaw up off the desktop.

I'd never heard of the man, or even known there was any such genre as 'neo-Baroque'. Don't know about anyone else's buttons, but you just pushed a couple of mine--really hard, and in a good way.

Thank you!

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I am going to check out some of the aforementioned composers earlier in this thread.

I know some of you have heard this before, but I'll post it again anyway. It was intended as fun, but it got some serious responses. Whether or not it's from fertile soil, or destined for the compost heap, who knows. Here it is anyway, my composition : the Efinofl Violin Concerto :)

 

 

Mr Jim dancing

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Hi Jim,

Thanks, I liked it, and hadn't heard it before. It's obvious you're no "beginner".      🙂

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