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I am learning Bonaparte's Retreat and Midnight on the Water.  They are great with the usual tuning.  BUT I tuned the violin to DDAD and the sound is awesome!!

My questions [I can hear those of you proficient in music theory laughing as I type this]-

Does the true E is at F# finger position?  F# come at G finger position, instead of a G#?  A is at B finger position?  Where is G and G#?

Is this where the whole and half steps come into play with the scales?

 

Elk River Blues - I don't think is usually played with DDAD tuning but it also sounded really good with that tuning.

Seriously I need two violins!!  At jam we move so quickly from song to song I don't want to miss any  I would need to leave the circle and tune back to usual tuning.  We do just one song each and move to the next person.

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Schaick said
I am learning Bonaparte's Retreat and Midnight on the Water.  They are great with the usual tuning.  BUT I tuned the violin to DDAD and the sound is awesome!!

My questions [I can hear those of you proficient in music theory laughing as I type this]-

Does the true E is at F# finger position?  F# come at G finger position, instead of a G#?  A is at B finger position?  Where is G and G#?

Is this where the whole and half steps come into play with the scales?

 

Elk River Blues - I don't think is usually played with DDAD tuning but it also sounded really good with that tuning.

Seriously I need two violins!!  At jam we move so quickly from song to song I don't want to miss any  I would need to leave the circle and tune back to usual tuning.  We do just one song each and move to the next person.

Look at this diagram of a piano keyboard:

piano_keyboard.png

The distance between any two adjacent keys (including the black ones) is a half-step or a semi-tone. Notice that there are 12 semi-tones before the next octave is reached. A whole-step is, of course, two half-steps or semi-tones.  For example, starting  from the C key, on the left, to the next white key (the D key), separated by the black C#, key is a whole-step.  

If you lower the E string on the violin to D you've lowered the pitch by a whole step.  Therefore, the fingering for each pitch will be one whole-step above where it was before being lowered. To play an E one would put their finger where the F# was.  To play the G, one would  put their finger where the A was.  To play a G# one would put their finger where the A# was.

I hope this helps. 

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@Uzi Yes!!  Thank you!!

Violinist start date -  May 2013  

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FIDDLE- Gift from a dear friend. A 1930-40 german copy, of a french copy of a Stradivarius.  BOW - $50 carbon fiber. Strings - Dominants with E Pirastro Gold string.

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DDAD?  Hmm.  Interesting.  I've never tried it on violin, but that's the same notes as one of the common tunings used on Appalachian dulcimer.  I play dulcimer, and that's my "default" tuning for it, so your post caught my attention.

Do you tune what's usually the low G string on the violin up to match the D or drop it down to the D an octave below that?

 

Anyway, as Uzi already showed, knowing at least a bit of music theory is definitely useful.  Especially if you play in different tunings sometimes or need to be able to transpose to different keys for jamming or when you want to move a piece to be more in a singer's "sweet spot".

Not saying you need to know a huge amount of it.  I've known good players who at least claimed they didn't know *any* theory.  But learning some can help with a lot of situations a player typically finds themselves in. 

Now, if sometimes it would be helpful to have a piano/keyboard to work through some examples or whatever, but you just don't happen to own one or have it handy, there is this:

http://www.html5piano.ilinov.eu/full/

If you click to turn on the "Toggle keyboard key names on/off" you can see what keys to press on the computer keyboard to play which piano key.  If you're maybe a little shaky on what notes is where on a piano/keyboard, you can also toggle on "piano key names" to have them labelled for you. 

Not great for actually trying to play music on, but it should work on most computers and doesn't sound too awful.  Beats the ever-lovin' crap out of having "nothing", anyway. LOL

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@DanielB  Thanks for the link.

The G string is tuned down to an octave below the D string and the E string is turned down to just a D so it sounds equal to the D fingering of the A string.

Well I have practiced a bit and my daughter thinks it sounds horrible!!  Is it because I am just learning it?  Are her ears not accustomed to the droning sound?  Is it because I am using my son's tinny sounding violin?  

LOL!!  I will need to do a video of it so all of you can analyze it before I go public at the jam!!!!

Violinist start date -  May 2013  

Fiddler start date - May 2014

FIDDLE- Gift from a dear friend. A 1930-40 german copy, of a french copy of a Stradivarius.  BOW - $50 carbon fiber. Strings - Dominants with E Pirastro Gold string.

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