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Actually, it has been 3 days since I started playing the violin. I'm a 16 year old artist who is trying to get more into music with the violin. Any constructive criticism is needed.

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Hi there!

Welcome to the forums..

It seems like you might have a problem there.. it's hard to tell from the footage, but by the sound.. and the angle of your bow... I think that's a left handed violin you have there.. aka. the strings are backwards. Normally the way you are holding the violin.. if you look at the fingerboard the thick strings need to be on your left and the thinnest on on your right (from your point of view while playing on it)Β 

You might want to post some pictures of it to confirm.Β 

Cheers!

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I have a few questions just to get my own bearings... Are you recording with your phone in portrait mode, meaning the screen facing you? I'm asking that because I know the picture is then mirrored. So are you playing your violin with your right hand on the fingerboard and left hand on the bow? (based on where the audio jack is, is also part of why I'm guessing this). I do know left handed people do this, and there are some great fiddlers out there that play this way, but it might be beneficial down the road to get yourself a proper left handed fiddle to avoid your own frustration πŸ™‚Β 

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I thought about that too Mandy πŸ˜€ but then I realized the bow would be in her left hand if the picture would be mirrored and the violin on her right shoulder and the strings would still be reversed compared to that then πŸ™‚ (assuming she is right-handed).

Also after reading your post I took a closer look at the violin and noticed that the tuning pegs are in the regular order (so it's not a mirrored violin and neither a left handed) so I figured it must be a model that has the jack on the inside...Β 

This Cecilio model appears to correspond to it.. so I'm guessing she's playing on this.. and the strings are either simply put on in reverse order.. or they could also be just seriously out of tune. But let's wait for her to get back on your questions, I'm curios πŸ™‚Β 

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Ferenc Simon said
Hi there!

Welcome to the forums..

It seems like you might have a problem there.. it's hard to tell from the footage, but by the sound.. and the angle of your bow... I think that's a left handed violin you have there.. aka. the strings are backwards. Normally the way you are holding the violin.. if you look at the fingerboard the thick strings need to be on your left and the thinnest on on your right (from your point of view while playing on it)Β 

You might want to post some pictures of it to confirm.Β 

Cheers!

FerencΒ Β 

I am right handed and the strings when I look at them from left to right is GDAE ^^

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damfino said
I have a few questions just to get my own bearings... Are you recording with your phone in portrait mode, meaning the screen facing you? I'm asking that because I know the picture is then mirrored. So are you playing your violin with your right hand on the fingerboard and left hand on the bow? (based on where the audio jack is, is also part of why I'm guessing this). I do know left handed people do this, and there are some great fiddlers out there that play this way, but it might be beneficial down the road to get yourself a proper left handed fiddle to avoid your own frustration πŸ™‚Β 

Welcome to the violin and the forum πŸ˜€Β Β 

I am indeed recording from my phone in portrait mode ^^ I am playing the violin with the right hand on the bow and the left hand on the fingerboard

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Ferenc Simon said
I thought about that too Mandy πŸ˜€ but then I realized the bow would be in her left hand if the picture would be mirrored and the violin on her right shoulder and the strings would still be reversed compared to that then πŸ™‚ (assuming she is right-handed).

Also after reading your post I took a closer look at the violin and noticed that the tuning pegs are in the regular order (so it's not a mirrored violin and neither a left handed) so I figured it must be a model that has the jack on the inside...Β 

This Cecilio model appears to correspond to it.. so I'm guessing she's playing on this.. and the strings are either simply put on in reverse order.. or they could also be just seriously out of tune. But let's wait for her to get back on your questions, I'm curios πŸ™‚Β 

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I was using that violin brand actually! The order isn't in reverse I think since the strings go from GDAE (left to right). I think it may be out of tune? I did tune it before I played it though >.<

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Ok, then in that case first thing will be getting your violin in proper tune πŸ™‚ G string will be your deepest sounding string working its way over to the E string being be the highest sounding. It will feel like you are going to break the E string getting it up to where you need it to be. Do you have a tuner or do you use a phone app?Β 

Oh, and just to be safe before we set you doing that, have you looked inside the fiddle to make sure the sound post is standing up (it will be a stick standing up in your violin, should be just about under the E string, behind the bridge).

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damfino said
Ok, then in that case first thing will be getting your violin in proper tune πŸ™‚ G string will be your deepest sounding string working its way over to the E string being be the highest sounding. It will feel like you are going to break the E string getting it up to where you need it to be. Do you have a tuner or do you use a phone app?Β 

Oh, and just to be safe before we set you doing that, have you looked inside the fiddle to make sure the sound post is standing up (it will be a stick standing up in your violin, should be just about under the E string, behind the bridge).Β Β 

Yes, I have bothΒ a tunerΒ and a phone app. So for the E string, would it have to say E and the A string, it would have to say A?

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Yes, it will say that, but depending on the tuner, it might not tell you if you are tuned high enough. You may be a couple octaves below where you need to be if it is reading A and E, etc. My tuner has a little 440 in the corner to tell me if I am tuned to the right A.

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Oh I see now πŸ˜‰Β 

you have a tuning app you say.. does it happen to measure frequencies? because you might be an octave or two below on some stings in that case πŸ™‚Β 

In case it doesn't measure frequencies, you can try to get one that does (for example I use some older version of gstrings - a guitar tuner app but works like a charm for everything)

Here are the frequencies you need

G: 196 Hz

D: 293.7 Hz

A: 440 Hz

E: 659.3 HzΒ 

Tune it up like this and make sure to press the pegs inward as you're nearing the final values to make sure it stays that way (don't go above these, since you might break a string, if you're close to these values and the peg sticks or something.. always go down first then back up again)

Post a followup video of playing the open strings or something so we know you managed to get it πŸ™‚ And then it's all fun and learning from there on!

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And if hearing how each string should sound might help you, here is an example from Fiddlerman:

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Ferenc Simon said
Oh I see now πŸ˜‰Β 

you have a tuning app you say.. does it happen to measure frequencies? because you might be an octave or two below on some stings in that case πŸ™‚Β 

In case it doesn't measure frequencies, you can try to get one that does (for example I use some older version of gstrings - a guitar tuner app but works like a charm for everything)

Here are the frequencies you need

G: 196 Hz

D: 293.7 Hz

A: 440 Hz

E: 659.3 HzΒ 

Tune it up like this and make sure to press the pegs inward as you're nearing the final values to make sure it stays that way (don't go above these, since you might break a string, if you're close to these values and the peg sticks or something.. always go down first then back up again)

Post a followup video of playing the open strings or something so we know you managed to get it πŸ™‚ And then it's all fun and learning from there on!Β Β 

Ooooh I didn't know what the frequency meant, I'll try and fix them right now ^^

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Awesome!

If you get the tuning right and choose any combination of 2 strings that are next to each-other (G-D, D-A or A-E) and play the left one twice and the right one twice it should sound like the beginning of twinkle twinkle little star πŸ˜€Β 

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Lol Mandy πŸ˜€ We're funny, making similar posts at the same time, it's like we teamed up haha. Even managed to get the twinkle twinkle combo πŸ˜›

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Ferenc Simon said
Oh I see now πŸ˜‰Β 

you have a tuning app you say.. does it happen to measure frequencies? because you might be an octave or two below on some stings in that case πŸ™‚Β 

In case it doesn't measure frequencies, you can try to get one that does (for example I use some older version of gstrings - a guitar tuner app but works like a charm for everything)

Here are the frequencies you need

G: 196 Hz

D: 293.7 Hz

A: 440 Hz

E: 659.3 HzΒ 

Tune it up like this and make sure to press the pegs inward as you're nearing the final values to make sure it stays that way (don't go above these, since you might break a string, if you're close to these values and the peg sticks or something.. always go down first then back up again)

Post a followup video of playing the open strings or something so we know you managed to get it πŸ™‚ And then it's all fun and learning from there on!Β Β 

I tried to tune it based on their frequencies, does it sound any better?

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Sounds much better πŸ˜€Β 

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Yes it does πŸ™‚Β 

On the last one where you played the G the reason it sounded higher was because you were playing really close to the bridge and also making the bow slide without it having proper grip on the string, but I switched to headphones and I could hear the deep sound of the G as well for a moment, so yea your tuning seems to be okay πŸ™‚

Now experiment with trying to keep the bow in one place as you drag it across the string (so the point of contact doesn't move up or down the string) Try to aim at the middle between the bridge and the edge of the fingerboard, then experiment with the speed and pressure till you can make it sound clear and pleasant.

You should probably just practice playing on the open strings for a bit to get the hang of this, maybe give twinkle twinkle a try now that you're tuned up πŸ™‚Β 

Have fun!

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Welcome to the forum and your new journey to learn to play the violin.
It's a great way to learn, posting yourself playing like that.
Also, great to make comparisons in the future and to witness your own progress this way.
As far as the "New Tuning" video, your E string is way off and the other strings are OK. Your E was much lower than it should be. Like a C.
Looking forward to following your progress.. πŸ™‚

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Also, you got a badge for your critique video.Β drummer

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