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3 Octaves G major and 2 octaves D major
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vibaviattigala
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how do i play without the shoulder ?  i think i have a error in my bowing as RU pointed out

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One thing I would suggest is to bring your right arm forward a bit so that the 

Violin is about 45deg from the body. This will help you play straight. 

Your upper arm is moving too much. Most of the movement should be in the lower arm. Your elbow should not be moving much at all. It's making your bow stroke an 'arc' instead of a straight line.

Do you have a vision problem? If so, please excuse this suggestion. You need to look at what you are doing so that when things go off a bit you can correct.

And finally, slow down a bit.

 

I hope these suggestions help

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To show what i meant in my previous post I uploaded this video. I'm not much more than a beginner myself so its not perfect

 

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Hmmmm....what I noticed in yer video, and your's as well Ferret, is that you two let the neck or sometimes the button of the violin rest in your palms or wrist, that should never be done because it would be hard for you to reach the notes, and it i also a bad habit.

and @vibaviattigala, concentrate on the bowing to make it straight, I can see that your bow hold is doing good.

@Ferret, yes, he has an eye problem.

anyways, you are doing great, Viba, and also you, Ferret.

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@Ferret;, you're bowing is nice and straight, also pay a little more attention to intonation and  begin your scale's with a down-bow, but play a 15 note scale, beginning with the open G, A, B,C open D, E, F, G open A, B, C, D open E, F and G. In your vid., you're playing a 12 note scale and then a 8 note scale. On the way back down the scale, substitute the open D, A and E by using your pinky finger on the preceding string, this will build your pinky muscle and the other finger's coordination.

I run into the same thing myself, if I finish with a slow up-bow , I find that it is jerky at the end near the frog, not smooth.

@vibaviattigala; it looks like you have a saw in your hand and that you're trying to cut your violin in half. Try keeping your shoulder from moving so much and bow with your forearm and wrist. Your bow is all over the string's. A good exercise is to stand with your back to the wall, turn to about a 45 degree angle, keeping your upper bowing arm tight against the wall and only bowing with your forearm and wrist. Your arm shouldn't move away from the wall more than about 1" (inch) or about 2.5cm. It should only move up and down.

Pay closer attention to intonation and when you are starting to bow, start with a down bow and play a 15 note scale, as I pointed out to, Ferret. It is easier to pull the bow as opposed to pushing it, for smoothness.

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@ozmous & @Fiddlestix 

Thanks for the feedback guys. All positive criticism welcome. Will look into it all. I really don't do scales enough. I'd rather play a tune. I'll have to do more

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Vibavi, look at how you did the very last upbow in your video.  See how your wrist bent and the bow stayed parallel to the bridge, very smoothly and gracefully.  That is what you should be doing at the end of a full upbow.

To keep the bow parallel to the bridge, you have to bend the wrist joint and elbow joint.  The shoulder joint should not be involved much, and the location of the elbow should not change much, except a little when bowing near the frog.  The elbow joint is used a lot, but the location of the elbow joint does not change much, except when bowing near the frog.  The wrist joint absolutely is going to have to bend in a smooth action if you are going to keep the bow parallel.  Same with the elbow joint.

But you would not have to think in those terms if you were to simply use a mirror or a video camera to be aware of the bow and ensure that it stays parallel to the bridge.  Really I know of only about one way to keep the bow parallel. That is just due to the way people's arms are built and how they function.

All you need do is 1) decide that you are going to do it and 2) stay aware of whether you are doing it.  After doing it enough, it becomes automatic and you are able to pay attention to other things.

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Vibavi, you have some other problems that should be addressed.  1) As ferret mentioned, the scroll should be out front more, so that the neck of the violin is making more of a 45-degree angle with the line that goes through your shoulders.  2) As Ozmous said, the neck should not be resting in your palm, and that wrist should be basically straight.  Can you hold the violin with no hands? 

I think your shoulder rest/chin rest setup needs some attention.  Solving that would likely solve the two things I mention above.  I would try to do that as soon as possible.  Try looking at some videos of very good conventional players to see how they hold.  I don't think you will find a lot of variation in their holds.

 

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@RosinedUp 

I'm told hat Vibavi has a vision problem. I don't know how much it effect his learning.

@vibaviattigala 

Vibavi, Could you let us know a little more about you?

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Vibavi, I like the advice you are getting here and really just want to emphasize that you need to use mostly your elbow with your bow arm.
Secondly, when you get that scratchy sound try with slightly less pressure. It's possible to use a lot of pressure but you need a great technique to accompany it. :-)

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