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A crazy attempt
vivaldi summer. 3part. presto (also known as "storm")
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I have one more video. It is crazy attempt to play vivaldi summer (3. presto. also known as "storm"). The serious problem with this piece... I`ve found myself still unable to play in 7th position. So I cannot get it all))

 

P.S. Intonation is horrible. Be careful)

 

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EVERYBODY plays in 7th position!  (tsk,tsk)  but you are forgiven and doing awesome otherwise.  (My violin doesn't go as high as 7th position.  I bought the economy model.)

Impressive.

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Oliver, thanks. My violin is not an expensive one also. But it allows to play in 7th position. My fingers cannot play in 7th. They, actually, are not good enough even in first position))

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I just looked at your previous post and, in particular, the reply from FM.  I had to smile  because  I had the same feeling when I first listened to your "7th position" video.

The smile is that it is necessary to actually listen to intonation but you do hear it at the same time.  I guess that the right word is "focus".  Good intonation will not happen by itself and sometimes I have to struggle on a note-to-note basis for rough passages.  And yes, that can actually be a distraction if I'm also trying some fancy bowing for instance.  That makes the violin a true multi-tasking device!

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Oh no - so there's a 7th position is there ?  

Oh well, only 6 more to go for me then - LOL -

Just kidding with you @Hurton - amazing efforts !  Keep it up !

I doubt if my aged-fingers would be able get close-enough together or move fast enough for that !

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Well done Hurton and keep at it - crazy-attempt or not - I can see what you're trying to do.   My approach is similar in some ways - but nowhere as extreme - I often try things that are WAY too difficult for me but not in your league - oh - I don't know - things like fast Scottish jigs, reels, hornpipes and so on (by ear) - and I just *know* what I want it to sound and feel like rhythmically - but then my fingering / intonation goes to hell-in-a-hand-cart but *I* know what I'm trying to do! ( I can be very impatient - especially with myself ) LOL

"Crazy" is always good - I have absolutely no problem with that!

Cheers - and keep up with the goals you have set yourself - 

    Bill

 

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Please make your own, different mistakes, and help us all learn :-)

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Your bowing looks pretty darn good. To get proper intonation though, you're going to need to slow waaaaay down. Like Wyatt Earp said about gunfighting, "Fast is fine, but accuracy is everything." 

A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. ~Herm Albright

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Thanks! :)

Oh, no. There is a kind of misunderstanding. I don`t mean that I`ve played at this video in 7th position. I just mean that 7th is used in this piece afterwards and that I cannot play 3 part of Vivaldi`s summer fully. 

 

Oliver, yes, a good intonation requires a lot of work and concentration. That is the most complicated issue as for me. It is, however, a good thing. It allows to feel yourself like a super-hero being able to find notes on a violin`s fingerboard ))

 

MadBill, after a few years difficult pieces will become playable. All we need - practise. I`ve read somewhere that, in general, 10 000 hours of practise a person need to be a really good player)  

 

Uzi, I`ve spend a lot of time playing it slower. Nevertheless, problems arose when it tried to do it in appropriate tempo))

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MadBill

 

Take heart.   Anything over 5th position is really flute music.

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Hurton, you must learn to relax when playing this type of piece. If you review your own recording you will see how your whole arm is working hard to play those 16th notes. Even your right shoulder is moving. Believe it or not, your face muscles are working hard as well.
I say this with only good intentions. You will tire yourself way too soon and may develop tendonitis in your joints. Believe me when I say that I have seen this way too many times and have had to work hard with violinists to teach them how to relax.
Otherwise, on a bright note, your ambition is very impressive. :-)
Thanks for the post.

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@BillyG 

Oh no – so there's a 7th position is there ? 
 
Yes, but I think only dogs can hear it. blink

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Thanks for your feedback, Fiddlerman. I'll work on it. 

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Hurton said
Thanks for your feedback, Fiddlerman. I'll work on it. 

I'm glad. I don't want you to suffer later as countless players end up doing. :-)
My guess is that you are a little more relaxed when the video is not turned on right?

 

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Yes. When camera is turned on I always think: "i must do it as good as possible". As a result I fell tension and performance becomes worse than it usually is without recording.

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Hurton said

I`ve read somewhere that, in general, 10 000 hours of practise a person need to be a really good player)  
My goodness, 10000 hours to be a good player? If I practice 30 minutes daily (on average) that is 182.5 hours for a year, and 10000/182.5=54.79 years! With my age and plus my aging fingers, joints, response, mind, memory, my famous super short pinky, ... I am in great disadvantages and I will never be a good player! But at least I could jam with one year olds:) (My best jam experience! One year olds play toy banjo, egg shakers, maracas, drums, rain sticks, etc. and I play my violin or whatever else instruments I play.)

Any way, great attempt! But relax like FM said. I always tensed up, too (my colleagues took picture of me even when I played for one year olds, I was tense) and my teacher always has to tell me. "smile." (when you are relax, I bet you can play the 16th notes even faster and better.)

My teacher's advice, "If you can't play it right at slow tempo then you can't play it right at the right (fast) tempo" so go slow, fix all the places that need to be fixed (intonation, fingering, bow techniques, relaxation, etc.) then work on playing at the right tempo.

Keep up your great work!

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I don't agree with those numbers. I've heard players, usually kids, that have only played for a few short years and sound fantastic. Granted they usually can't play Paganini great but they can play easier music and sound great. I've even heard adult players who can play beautiful melodies with tons of control, phrasing and beauty after only a few years. Some players, and even proof of it here on the forum, can sound good after weeks or months of playing.

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Playing a violin is no different then any other skill you have or build. Some you will excel at, others you will struggle at. most, fall somewhere in between. Regardless of your natural ability, the more dedicated you are in learning anything, the more time you invest into it, the more you push yourself with it, the faster your ability will grow. What your potential is with the skill is going to be limited somewhat by your physical and mental capacity, but it will still grow. If your desire for something is strong enough, you will find a way to accomplish little goals and plateaus while you walk your journey.

Practice and study is like paying down on your house mortgage. Making the extra payment here and there knocks a 30 year mortgage down to 15 years. further payments take to 10 years. I paid off mine in 8. It comes down to what you desire and what time you will invest.

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Nice crazy attempt! There are a lot of work to do - but You're doing awesome!
Good luck with this piece and 7th position particularly.
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Fiddlerman said

I don't agree with those numbers. I've heard players, usually kids, that have only played for a few short years and sound fantastic. Granted they usually can't play Paganini great but they can play easier music and sound great. I've even heard adult players who can play beautiful melodies with tons of control, phrasing and beauty after only a few years. Some players, and even proof of it here on the forum, can sound good after weeks or months of playing.

FM, I am glad that you don't agree with those numbers, because that means I still have hope to be a good (enough) player -- to my own standard, not good like professional violinists such as Joshua bell, sarah chang, fm, etc, but good enough to pick up a piece of music that I like and be able to play it after a few (hours, weeks, months) practice.

I remembered my teacher said adult could pick up a violin and progress faster than young children because of their mental level, etc., however, there are things that young children could do better than adults. I think as an adult, I only want to learn enough to be a "good" player and there are a lot more things in my life that require my attention, etc., and a young child has less limitation (like adult - muscles not used for violin playing, losing flexibility, etc.) more flexibility, potential, developing muscle, that allow them to do things that I can't do. Take my daughter for example, her muscle memory is much better than mine - string crossing - I still hit strings that I don't mean to hit, whereas my daughter plays cleanly.

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You definitely still have hope as long as you keep believing in yourself.

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wow.. that sounds impressive. You have a great attempt going on with this. Keep posting progress. I am greatly inspired.

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