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Suggestions please so I can improve. Been playing since June

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Hi @Fran - here's some thoughts - but keep in mind I'm still a novice myself, but here are my observations !

Your intonation is pretty good !

I notice the spread-out fingers on the bow - now - in this instance - it probably makes little difference - but - and this is just me - I prefer to keep them fairly tight together on the stick.  There are probably different schools of thought on this, but I do find the fingers-closer-together-grip more amenable to giving better control especially over longer bow strokes.   But - I don't really think that's the issue here - it's just an observation.

I assume you're asking, because you feel you're not making as much progress as you'd wish ?  

Here's what I am seeing.....   I suspect you are reading from sheet.   That's awesome of course, but, we often struggle with simply "too many things going on at once".   I play a lot of tunes by-ear - just because I know them in my head already.  I do NOT have a mental connection between a note position on the stave and the left-hand finger position - I appreciate that many people DO - my "learned approach" to finding the note comes down to experience of other instruments, an understanding of basic musical theory and years of playing as a pastime - so once I know what key and mode I have to play in, I'm away!

HOWEVER - and here we have it ( LOL ) - when I have to learn a new-to-me-tune - I'm EXACTLY the same as you there, in the video - in fact worse - I'm almost sawing-away at individual notes, not building them into complete musical phrases, misinterpreting bow-direction changes and so on....  

For me, it's like some kind of mental "overload".  So, what I do is indeed - force myself to play ( "saw-my-way" hahaha )  through it, this "new-to-me" piece, from sheet, several times.   Depends on the complexity of the piece of course, but for me, probably half a dozen times through will have pretty much got it into my head.    THEN - I put the sheet aside - and start to play it from memory.   If it is too difficult to remember it all, I'll break it down into maybe 4 or 8 bar sections -perhaps going back to sheet to really familiarize myself with that section - and then - put the sheet to one side and simply concentrate on getting the sound, and feel of what I'm playing to my liking.  With that decoupling, it gives me time to really concentrate on the bowing action, dynamics, string crossing point or "lane", bow speed, pressure, direction change and so on, and that's only the right arm/hand !!!

Of course, it's easy for me to say that because my preferred genre is fiddle music - which is open to ALL sorts of individual interpretation.  You have to be a lot more precise with classical themes.

Anyway - that's what I kind of saw in your video - as I say - it is reminiscent of me when I try to "follow" sheet on something that is new-to-me - it's as if, for me there is too much going on - and once I decouple the sight-reading from all the other subtleties of actually PLAYING I find it gets easier, and better !   And yes indeed - sight-reading - that is a failing of mine but I do work on it and I'm improving as time goes on.   For new pieces, I also find it REALLY useful to either play along to an existing performance, say on YouTube or CD, or, when all else fails, I'll score it up in a music editor where I can change the tempo and start by playing it slowly.

I don't know if these thoughts / observations will help or not - it's just that I have shared (and still do) similar feelings about my own progress.

Good luck !

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@BillyG  thanks for your feedback.  Yes I was reading sheet and yes it's a lot to concentrate on. I'm working on right hand bowing which I seem to have trouble with many times.  And I agree I need to work on expression 🙂

Lots to learn but I;m having so much fun!!!

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I enjoyed your playing and I hope that I can join you  in this piece.  I have another friend that plays this... I think you have a good handle on it... it will only get more beautiful as you go ...

Nice job!

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Thanks @coolpinkone !  I love this piece.  Thanks for the encouragement too 🙂

Are you in California?  I'm in Torrance

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November 17, 2016 - 8:55 am
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Great progress so far. Keep up the good work.
I would like to see more relaxation in your bow hand and to do that perhaps you need to spread the fingers a bit less. Your fingers should a bit like a shock absorber. Don't work at it too much now but allow them to flex ever so slightly.
As mentioned above, intonation is better than many people especially after so little experience.
I recommend that you listen to your recordings (same applies to everyone) with a pencil to the sheet music, if you are using any, and or make mental notes, analyzing every single note. Make a note every time you think it's slightly high or slightly low (I used to make arrows up if they were too low and down if they were too high). There may be an incorrect note in there too 😉 I bet you will find it.
Thanks for sharing the post, look forward to many more. 🙂

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Thanks for these ideas and input @Fiddlerman Fiddlerman! I'm working on that pesky right hand bow hold. I used to play 45 years ago in school so I think there's some muscle memory which may be helping me out 🙂

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November 17, 2016 - 10:49 am
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Hia @Fran - can you post the link to the Canon sheet you are using please ?   I take it that is IS here on the forum - I just want to get the same one as you are working with.....

Many thanks in advance !   drummerdrummerdrummer

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@BillyG I was thinking the same thing... would like to have a copy of that sheet. Seems like a great piece... for bowing.  🙂

@Fran I am in California, North in Roseville.  🙂

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Yup @coolpinkone - I already "hack away at it" from time to time - it's just one of these melodies that flit through my head... you know...  but it would be nice to be able to play something that is "more complete" rather than the 16 or 24 bars I kind of know and actually end up with something that works as a stand-alone solo in isolation of any backing etc...   anyway, it's on my list as well  !!!  

Any info I get I'll share with you.   I'm sure I could find it if I drove myself to it, but it would be much nicer if it just "fell out of the sky and landed on my desk" to save me the time searching !!!!   Hahahahaha bunny_pole_dancer

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We did the canon as a group project back in ... oh, I can't remember.  It should be on the fiddlerman group projects page.

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Yes it is. 🙂

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Fiddlerman said
Yes it is. 🙂  

And here it is:

When the work's all done and the sun's settin' low,

I pull out my fiddle and I rosin up the bow.

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@BillyG 

Hey buddy.... just in case you want the link to the project page, that is where the Canon Music is available.

http://fiddlerman.com/2013/03/.....p-project/

Cheers Mate.

Toni

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Heyyyy - thanks guys - @Robyn.fnq   and @Fiddlerman and @coolpinkone - yeah - I was just somewhat "behind the times" - I realise that now... LOL   I'll be on that one once other stuff gets out of the way...

TY folks !drummerdrummerdrummer

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@BillyG I regret not learning and playing in some of the earlier projects.  I was just too shy and too inept.   

I have to say that FM.com is truly where I have learned to play the violin for Free.  Now it is up to me to continue in my studies and continue to shine and improve.  I hope that we all continue to play and learn together in the new year.

Yay!!

🙂

Toni

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@BillyG I regret not learning and playing in some of the earlier projects.  I was just too shy and too inept.   

I have to say that FM.com is truly where I have learned to play the violin for Free.  Now it is up to me to continue in my studies and continue to shine and improve.  I hope that we all continue to play and learn together in the new year.

Yay!!

🙂

Toni  

Thanks Toni. 🙂

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@coolpinkone I second that thought Toni, I remember my first attempt at joining in the project .... I have a sneaking suspicion the editor muted my input (for the good of the listening ear), but I actually felt I'd accomplished something.

It just got better ... well, not so much my playing, but at least some degree of confidence, and the teaching resources are awesome.

Thanks Fiddlerman!

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Robyn.fnq said
@coolpinkone I second that thought Toni, I remember my first attempt at joining in the project .... I have a sneaking suspicion the editor muted my input (for the good of the listening ear), but I actually felt I'd accomplished something.

It just got better ... well, not so much my playing, but at least some degree of confidence, and the teaching resources are awesome.

Thanks Fiddlerman!

santa3  

 LOL - I second - oh well - third it - @coolpinkone and @Robyn.fnq  !!!!!   It's simple really - you just NEVER give up.... have a dancing bunny - and be happy with what you currently achieve, with the promise of more to come..... bunny_pole_dancer

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It is clearly to hear that you are able to play straight, clean notes.

If you want to make them a bit nice, emotive and expressive, you might wanna go over to start a long note soft, crescendo it to a little louder and finally end the note soft again. It's not just bow pressure, but also bow speed, which can change that dynamic level.

Long notes without crescendo (and decrescendo) will never be expressive if you add just vibrato--crescendo is the more essential thing for expression.

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