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Swinging an axe at vibrato and stuff
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Fiddlerman
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Sorry for the late reply. Just trying to catch up with all my work.
IMO, your thumb is fine when it is up. No reason to get it down. We are all built differently. I sometimes play like that too. As long as you have the reach and are not going to travel up and down the violin, you can keep it like that.
When in the future you start playing in high positions, past the edge of the violin, you can then work your way up with the thumb. ๐Ÿ™‚

"The richest person is not the one who has the most,
but the one who needs the least."

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Fiddlerman said
Sorry for the late reply. Just trying to catch up with all my work.
IMO, your thumb is fine when it is up. No reason to get it down. We are all built differently. I sometimes play like that too. As long as you have the reach and are not going to travel up and down the violin, you can keep it like that.
When in the future you start playing in high positions, past the edge of the violin, you can then work your way up with the thumb. ๐Ÿ™‚ย ย 

Thanks for the reply ๐Ÿ™‚ Glad to know it's not some major issue

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Some teachers are narrow minded and base teachings on the standard average person. It's important to analyze each person individually as all people are made differently. ๐Ÿ™‚

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but the one who needs the least."

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The point I was referring to that my teacher made was not that my thumb is too high up in the air.ย  It is that I should not have it so far toward the body that it passes my first finger.ย  My thumb naturally moves up and down, meaning vertically, depending what my other fingers are doing.ย  More so than most because I have short fingers and consequently less reach than most people.ย  I've always had the same limitation on guitar but worked around it somehow.

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I understand. It's OK for your thumb to be adjacent to some of your other fingers but when and if you start shifting past 3th position in the future, you may have trouble moving your thumb back and forth. If it works well for you, I would keep doing it regardless. I've seen players who do this and still play wonderfully.

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Fiddlerman said
I understand. It's OK for your thumb to be adjacent to some of your other fingers but when and if you start shifting past 3th position in the future, you may have trouble moving your thumb back and forth. If it works well for you, I would keep doing it regardless. I've seen players who do this and still play wonderfully.ย ย 

I just recalled my former teacher grabbing my thumb and pulling it like, "Put it there!" She wanted it to be flexible instead of fixed, but she expected it way too categorically. I found it brutal, it made my feel bad and I couldn't relax at all like she expected me to. Sometimes it even hurt if she was so rough. I knew she was wrong but I also knew the relationship between me and her would have suffered if I had acted out the furious leopard inside me.

I think it's enough to be reminded now and then, that the thumb should always strive for the most comfortable position and that can mean changing its position while playing a scale. Yes, I often look at it like, "Are you all right little man?" Because I do feel that the 3rd finger suffers most if the thumb is fixed. Especially then the progression of a whole note step is more tiring.

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Demoiselle said

I just recalled my former teacher grabbing my thumb and pulling it like, "Put it there!".........

At least she didn't hit your fingers with a ruler while you were playing. LOL

Honestly, that sounds terrible. I condemn her actions!

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Fiddlerman said

Demoiselle said
I just recalled my former teacher grabbing my thumb and pulling it like, "Put it there!".........

At least she didn't hit your fingers with a ruler while you were playing. LOL

Honestly, that sounds terrible. I condemn her actions!ย ย 

I know I'm a fanatic too if it comes to my 1600s topics, but her issue was basically fanaticism which showed in many side aspects. When I guessed I might have lost a little piece of paper weeks ago, she looked very angry for a moment because she's extremely tidy-minded. She deeply hated tuning devices because Pythagorean fifths were like divine law to her and any different system would start a very long debate (on my money). And if she felt like my knuckles weren't flat enough she kept pressing them down forceably. I did learn the basic techniques like bow grip and finger legato, but in the end she was too focused on her personal experiences to really solve my problems. Like again and again suggesting her beloved 3 little wooden balls to make the hand soft as she said. And as she forgets soon all these things repeat like forever. She's sort of mentally trapped and needs help. But mostly she has a very nice attitude, unlike a thumb-pulling bully. It takes time to learn about the 'demon' inside her.

You hear that from many people: issues with violin teachers, parents complaining about the teacher of their kid. We easily bump into a teacher with serious issues which don't always show in the first lesson. The violin is a lovely instrument but it is merciless and can seriously hurt people. I wonder how many professional violin players are out there who have been hurt by their instrument at a very young age? Actually it's not the fault of the instrument but our high expectations and adoration of this queen of instruments.

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So ๐Ÿ™‚ย 

Here's a big update!ย 

My new violin is finally finished and it arrived. Didn't really know what to say in the video as I'm still slightly confused and shaking and all ๐Ÿ˜€ but I figured you guys may want to see it so I made a quick video about it.. What really surprised me as I was making this short video is how it has it's own reverb even though my room is acoustically treated so there's little to no echo from the room itself ๐Ÿ™‚ It's also much lighter than the VSO I had and pressing down on the notes requires less effort

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Real nice instrument and a lovely voice !

You are going to have a lot of fun and pleasure with it, no doubt !

I seriously recommend not copyingย my mistakes. D'oh -ย guntohead.JPG

Please make your own, different mistakes, and help us all learn :-)

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Ferenc, congratulations on the new violin, it a beaut and sounds full and sonorous. Can't wait to hear a full song. Enjoy playing it.

Bob

Bob in Lone Oak, Texas

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Put on a shoulder rest and played a bit more ๐Ÿ˜€ย 

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Grats on the new Fiddle,

Looks great and sounds good!!

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Master the Frog and you have mastered the bow.

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Congratulations.

Are you going to have a Stagg-burning party, or keep it as a reminder that things could always be worse? ๐Ÿ™‚

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Sounds great and your vibrato is really starting to come together. Again, congratulations on the new violin.

Bob in Lone Oak, Texas

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I'm not gonna hurt it ๐Ÿ˜€ It suffered enough haha... and it's fairly decent now, even though it looks uglier than when I got it.. due to all the home-made modifications with improper tools.. but that Stagg actually sounds decent now (it even has the more expensive version of the Dominant strings than the new one... with the silver D - kinda thinking about swapping that D string to the new one)ย 

Of course it can't really be compared to this new one in terms of acoustics ๐Ÿ™‚ย 

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Bob said
Sounds great and your vibrato is really starting to come together. Again, congratulations on the new violin.ย ย 

Thanks! ๐Ÿ™‚ย 

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Congrats on your new violin ๐Ÿ˜€ย 

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Congratulations on your new violin! It sounds great and your playing is really good as well.

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That new violin sounds good!

About the weight thing: yeah, VSOs tend to be much heavier than good violins because they use thicker wood plates to avoid breakage in factories. I learned the other day that many VSOs and older Chinese factory-made violins are even heavier than my viola!

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