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Playing this at son's wedding in a few weeks
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Hi all,

I just started trying to play along with a backup track yesterday.  It's thrown me off a bit on intonation, ornaments, and dynamics but I'm sure they'll return once I get more comfortable with this.

I would appreciate any observations regarding rhythmic errors and recommendations for improvement.

I will be playing this song for the first dance at my son's wedding in a few weeks.

Thanks,

joe

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Thanks for the post.

Your rhythm is good.

One dynamic is not as interesting as if you could mix it up a bit more. Sing it and take notes on how you phrase when you sing. Start phrases softer build to a climax and end the phrase softer. <--- just and idea. Figure out where the climax is.... Plan it out... Will help you relax when you play the wedding too, having a plan.

Most of the time your tone is good but sometimes you have the ponticello thing going on. Usually from playing too close to the bridge.

Lastly, though your intonation is generally good you have a tendency to play high from time to time and on certain notes. Listen to your performance here and make notes of when you hear that you are on the high side to fix it when you practice.

All in all it sounds great. Thanks for the post.
Good luck with the wedding smile

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That was nice JoeP > You have it down pretty good > Play it every day until the gig. If your grass needs cut > practice this song. If your car needs fixed > practice this song. If your roof is leaking>>> practice this song. >>> It is there and its gonna soung SWEET at the wedding if you play it and play it. >> I would start with the backtrack and then you come in and play for a bit > show them what you gots and what you are feeling  >>> it will bring tears to some cause the song is that nice. Then >>> you fade out~~~~~~ and the backtrack is still playing for a bit > out to a fade.

Sounds nice JoeP  > sounds nice.

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Not a lot I can say Joe... but THANK  you.  Good job..  keep it up.

I sometimes listen to a tune that is posted... and I can't see anything..but I read the "points of view/feedback.." then I go back and listen with a view to that... 50/50 I can see the point or hear it.. or not.  Anyway.. I get two-fold rewards.. the playing enjoyment and a possible learning experience.

It rarely interferes with my enjoyment  of friends here sharing and playing.

Good job!!!  wooo hoo

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@JoeP 

You are sounding good mate. How long before the wedding? If you practice that a bit more (like every day) you'll have it 'nailed' for the day.thumbs-up

BTW... What camera are you recording with. It's giving very good quality

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That sounded really nice, Joe. You'll be ready.

Will the backing track be played through the church sound system / speaker's or will you be taking your own, or will you be playing this song for the bride groom dance at the reception and not in the church.

 

Ken.

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Joe, that was very good! Maybe that will be a strange advice, but try to practice with that backing track infront of some people - friends, neighbors, family... That will make public playing easier.

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Mad_Wed said
Joe, that was very good! Maybe that will be a strange advice, but try to practice with that backing track infront of some people - friends, neighbors, family... That will make public playing easier.

Great advice. Playing in front of a video is easier than playing live for strangers, friends and family. On the other hand, you don't want to give your performance away in advance.... I got it, go out to the streets and play it. Don't forget to open your case for some extra cash.

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Ferret said
@JoeP 

You are sounding good mate. How long before the wedding? If you practice that a bit more (like every day) you'll have it 'nailed' for the day.thumbs-up

BTW... What camera are you recording with. It's giving very good quality

Hi Ferret,

The wedding is on the 8th of September.  I am practicing every day, several times a day actually.  I am also making at least one recording each day.

The camera is a Panasonic HDC-SD60 camcorder.  It has several features I like such as the ability to turn off AGC and the ability to turn on backlight compensation.

 

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Joe that was truly beautiful! 

I can only echo what others have said, go play this in front of people - go to the park, I can guarantee if you start playing folks will gather.

 

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Fiddlestix said
That sounded really nice, Joe. You'll be ready.

Will the backing track be played through the church sound system / speaker's or will you be taking your own, or will you be playing this song for the bride groom dance at the reception and not in the church.

 

Ken.

Hi Fiddlestix,

I'll be playing this at the reception.  The venue is our front yard.  It's a small wedding, only about 20 people.  I will be using a PA and a looper pedal to play the backing track.  I need to experiment with it but I think I'll probably be playing the violin without amplification. The instrument is an acoustic-electric Realist RV-5, bought from fiddlerman, so I can amplify it as well if need be.

 

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Mad_Wed said Joe, that was very good! Maybe that will be a strange advice, but try to practice with that backing track infront of some people - friends, neighbors, family... That will make public playing easier.

Great advice. Playing in front of a video is easier than playing live for strangers, friends and family. On the other hand, you don't want to give your performance away in advance.... I got it, go out to the streets and play it. Don't forget to open your case for some extra cash. thumbs-up    

 

I may try that but so far my experience has been that I have much more difficulty in front of a camera than I do in front of people.  When playing with the camera on I have a great deal of difficulty controlling my mind so that it doesn't drift off into building scenarios of people being able to rewind on every mistake.  When I play in front of people mistakes come and go and no one can rewind to hear them again.

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Fiddlerman said

Mad_Wed said
Joe, that was very good! Maybe that will be a strange advice, but try to practice with that backing track infront of some people - friends, neighbors, family... That will make public playing easier.

Great advice. Playing in front of a video is easier than playing live for strangers, friends and family. On the other hand, you don't want to give your performance away in advance.... I got it, go out to the streets and play it. Don't forget to open your case for some extra cash.

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I forgot to mention... we live in a sparsely populated neighborhood up in the western Sierra Nevada Mountains.  Playing in the streets up here might not even be noticed ;-)

I have just sent a request to my teacher asking if I can bring my equipment and play for a group of people getting together this Saturday to learn Ukulele.  I will also actually be setting up and playing outside here and will invite neighbors over to critique the sound quality (and my playing)

joe
 

 

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JoeP said

Mad_Wed said Joe, that was very good! Maybe that will be a strange advice, but try to practice with that backing track infront of some people - friends, neighbors, family... That will make public playing easier.

Great advice. Playing in front of a video is easier than playing live for strangers, friends and family. On the other hand, you don't want to give your performance away in advance.... I got it, go out to the streets and play it. Don't forget to open your case for some extra cash. thumbs-up    

 

I may try that but so far my experience has been that I have much more difficulty in front of a camera than I do in front of people. ...

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JoeP said

I may try that but so far my experience has been that I have much more difficulty in front of a camera than I do in front of people.  When playing with the camera on I have a great deal of difficulty controlling my mind so that it doesn't drift off into building scenarios of people being able to rewind on every mistake.  When I play in front of people mistakes come and go and no one can rewind to hear them again.

 

Amen to that, brother!!  LOL  But it is coming along really well.  You're going to have it down great in time for the wedding. 

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One thing I found helpful when I was working on this piece was to use the 60 bpm version of the backing track early in the day, as a warmup.  Then later when you go back to 72 bpm, it is much easier.  Some of the details seemed to work themselves out easy when taking it at the slower tempo and then they worked fine at the faster tempo.  

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fyi, today I created a practice track that includes the backup track as well as a melody track created with musescore.  I've practiced with it several times today and have found it extremely useful.  It's like playing a duet with someone who has 100% perfect rhythm.

I'll post a video once I think I've made enough progress.

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Please post when you're ready. Would be interested in seeing / hearing it

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Ferret said
Please post when you're ready. Would be interested in seeing / hearing it

Here you go...

 Still needs work but I think I have enough time.

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Bravo, a lot of improvement over the last recording.

The intonation was so much better. It's obvious that you knew which notes I was referring to.

I still would like to hear you play more dynamics. Would you like me to mark your part with my ideas (dynamics)?

I thoroughly enjoyed it and I am sure your guests will love it as well. :-)
Thanks.

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