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Installed new tailpiece/fine tuners - with pics!
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Aloha everyone,

I received my new rosewood tailpiece, tailgate, black/gold fine tuners, and finger tape today from eBay, which in and of itself is amazing.  I ordered everything on Monday, and it was shipped on Tuesday.  Considering I'm in Hawaii, the package getting here today is simply amazing.  Apparently Hawaii is in Timbuktu as far as shipping goes.  

I've never installed a tailpiece before, but I've watched a very good video on the process.  It went as easily as could be expected, which is very easily :D

I took pictures of each step of the process.  While the new tailpiece is a little bit darker and with more dark grain, than my chinkiest, I still like it very much.  I really like the added touch of the gold fine tuners.

Oh, and @Fiddlerman, I know you don't like the finger tape thing, but when playing Ashokan Farewell, I always seem to miss the C#right at the end (the penultimate note).  I always get somewhat close, but could never seem to nail it, until I used the finger tape.  For that, I'll be eternally grateful.

I managed to replace the tailpiece without disturbing the sound post!  Huzzah!  I was kind of worried about that.  I replaced my strings recently, but that was one string at a time.  This time, all of the strings had to be removed from the original tailpiece, so the tension was a lot less than with the bridge and strings tensioned.  Anyway, on to the pics.  

Oh, the last pic shows the G string in the fine tuner.  The string is a little think for the two prongs and I'm not sure the ball is in exactly the right position.  If anyone can take a look and verify whether I need to re-insert the ball end of the sting, I would be greatly appreciative.

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Oh that is a gorgeous tail piece. Good Job on a nice installation.

Looks so beautiful.   I am glad the tapes are helping you.  They helped me along for quite some time.   :)

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Looks very neat. =3

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That came out looking very nice!   Do you notice any differences that it made in the sound?

"This young wine may have a lot of tannins now, but in 5 or 10 years it is going to be spectacular, despite the fact that right now it tastes like crude oil. You know this is how it is supposed to taste at this stage of development." ~ Itzhak Perlman

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DanielB said
That came out looking very nice!   Do you notice any differences that it made in the sound?

Aloha @DanielB,

I'm not sure that I am good enough of a violinist/fiddler to tell if the sound is better, although it seems to be to be so.  Of course, I'm probably a little biased. :D  I normally play with the practice mute on, so I had to take it off this morning and try it out.  Either I'm getting a lot better, the tape is really helping me hit the notes exactly, or that tailpiece has really improved the sound.

I really did get a sense of empowerment, first by changing my strings, then going even further and installing a new tailpiece.  

I have a quick question.  I realize that I'm going to build up some good calluses on the finger of my left hand, but how long does it take?  I'm asking because they're getting built up, but it's still somewhat painful, especially on the E string (most likely because it's the thinnest).  I'm not stopping though.  I really do get a huge sense of satisfaction when I consider where I was at the start and where I am now.  

Aloha @coolpinkone and @Mad_Wed, and thank you for your responses.  Toni, I really don't use the finger tape as much as I thought I would, primarily for those notes I really miss and could not previously seem to hit.  It comes in very handy at those times :D  I may have to end up getting a new chinkiest and tuning pegs, as they don't completely match the tailpiece.  Oh, and that probably means another end pin as well :D  BTW, I purchased on eBay from the YourDealsCenter store.  They have reasonable prices, good quality, and shipping is fantastic!  I'm currently living in Honolulu and they got everything to me in only four days.  For Hawaii, that's like light speed! Mucho Fine Violins is another good eBay store.  You can purchase the complete fitting set there.  

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ok is it my eyes or is that bridge in backwards? looks like the low side is on the bass side?

With violins there is no fretting over the music.

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OldOgre said
ok is it my eyes or is that bridge in backwards? looks like the low side is on the bass side?

Lo0oks that way to me too , OO ...eather a bad picture or you have a good eye ...bunny-headbangviolin-1267

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@iBud: Well, if have enough calluses to tell there is any, then finger pain may be more coming from pressing down on the strings a lot harder than you need to.  If you experiment a bit with seeing how hard you actually have to press down to get a good clean sounding note, you may find you've been working harder than you have to. 

And I think the gents are right about the bridge appearing to be backwards.  The E string side should be the one that is lower than the G string side.  That could be making your E string higher than it should be, which also could leave some dents in your fingertips.

 

PS: Calluses aren't all that helpful really.  I sand mine off about once a week, or they'd build up to where I couldn't really feel the string well enough. 

"This young wine may have a lot of tannins now, but in 5 or 10 years it is going to be spectacular, despite the fact that right now it tastes like crude oil. You know this is how it is supposed to taste at this stage of development." ~ Itzhak Perlman

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OldOgre said
ok is it my eyes or is that bridge in backwards? looks like the low side is on the bass side?

Aloha @OldOgre,

I was hoping y'all wouldn't notice that :D  I realized that after I took the pics.  I thought something looked strange about the bridge and quickly loosened the strings and corrected my mistake.  This was the first time I'd done that.  D'oh!  

@DanielB, thanks for your response.  I'm not used to doing manual labor, so I must have the hand version of "tender foot".  I'm in IT, so I'm normally on a computer keyboard or on my Korg keyboard, and I am probably pressing a lot harder than I need.  I did see an article on Facebook where the violin instructor said that he could press a string to play a note and and have someone move a piece of paper underneath the string while the note was playing.  I tried that, but the sound was not desirable.  Of course, I am just a beginner :D  I'll keep on experimenting with that.  

You actually have calluses big enough to sand down?  Wow, you must really play a lot!  

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Aloha everyone,

Here are a couple of pics showing that I did figure out that the bridge was put in backwards - oops - but now is facing the right direction.  I really should've know, as there was a little piece of material covering the E string divot.  

 

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@iBud: There's a couple other things I can think of that could cause more discomfort than is necessary when playing strings.  The first is the strings themselves.  Some brands/types of strings are harder on the fingers than others.  If you don't know the brand and gauge of the strings on it, then that could definitely be it.  How old the strings are can also be a factor.  As strings get older, they lose some of their ability to flex.  They become stiffer.  Others here have more experience with string brands than I do.  I can say that of the limited number of brands and types I have tried so far, D'Addario Pro Artes in medium gauge were about the most easy on the fingers.  But there may be better, for all I know.

Another thing is how high the strings are at the nut.  Tiny distances there make huge differences in comfort and playability.  Even 1 mm too high can make the difference between an instrument that plays comfortably and misery.

Calluses, I do not consider a plus, especially on violin. Some techniques, like vibrato (to pick everyones' fave bugaboo) rely on the skin on the fingertips being flexible.  Callused skin is tougher and harder and less flexible.  If calluses were really a desirable thing with no drawbacks, we could just wear plastic caps on the ends of the fingers.

I suspect that like many other things, people vary on how easily they build up callus.  Maybe it is like fingernails.  Some folks have hard fingernails, others not so much.  Some people need to trim their fingernails more often than others because they grow at different rates. 

I do not think of myself as someone who plays a lot.  I put in 45 min of practice on guitar and then 45 min on violin each day.  Just exercises, scales and etc.  Then I play as much as I like or have time for.  For me, "playing" is actual songs or pieces or improvisation.  I only keep track of the "practice" time.  Very conservative estimate, though, I play each of the two instruments over the course of the day at least as much as the practice time.  Sometimes considerably more.  On days that have a lot of stress or boredom, I play more.  To put it in psych terms, playing music is one of my "coping mechanisms". 

I also use playing music as part of my "process" for work.  You're in IT, so you might understand better than other folks if I say I am a "content provider".  I pick up an instrument and play a song or two while letting an idea for the development of an article or the slant to take on a product description or etc "develop" in my head.  In the time it took me to write this reply, for example, I paused to play one song on guitar and 3 on the violin. 

Maybe there's a trick for you there.. The more ways you can fit playing music into your everyday life, the more you play.  But actual time set aside for dedicated practice in my day is 45 min each for guitar and violin, as I said.

I don't think of it as a lot.  Maybe some would.  dunno

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Aloha @DanielB,

Thanks again for your response.  To answer your questions, I have brand new D'addario Pro-Arté strings.  I bought the violin used and one of the strings broke at the peg box.  Not knowing if the other strings would be prone to break, I made the decision to replace all of the strings.  The other three original strings are now my "backup" should they be needed in the future.

I think you're correct, in that I'm probably pressing too hard on the strings.  After all, I've only been playing for seven weeks.  That's probably something else I'm not doing correctly :D

I know what you mean with respect to being a content provider.  In my job, I set up the computers to "talk" to each other, but the actual content is provided by other departments.  I wouldn't mind being a content provider with respect to music, but I'm not good enough on the violin. 

I like what you said about music being one of your coping mechanisms.  Music is rather soothing, isn't it?  Even though I get frustrated at not being able to play something on my violin, like I hear it in my head, there's just something about being able to create music that makes me want to continue.  I can forget about all of the extraneous stress factors and play.  It's like that on my keyboard as well.  I really love Bach's Inventions and often lose myself while playing my favorites, such as #12 and #13.

The only bad thing is while I'm at work, I don't have access to either of my two instruments, so stress coping mechanisms are a bit limited. :D  At home, it's a different story.  I often practice for much longer than 45 minutes on the weekends, although it's broken up into smaller chunks over the course of several hours.

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I'm not good enough on violin yet, either.  LOL  Only been playing it around two and a half years so far. 

Music "content provider" isn't that great a gig.  It's ok, but mostly it amounts to writing/recording/producing musical clips for use as "beds" under other media for presentations, sites, software... Sometimes a little soundtrack work.  I do a bit of that, as well, but text is usually what is in demand.  Usually do that sort of work on midi keyboard since that way it is easy to edit quickly to fit, and use the midi to "play" a good library of instrument samples.

I'm a freelancer, work from home, so what a boss thinks (other than deadlines) doesn't matter to me much these days.  

Yeah, definitely good stress reduction, though.

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