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I have a loop end E string. While trying to figure out how to remove the ball to put the string on my fiddle, I decided to go to the D'Addario website. I found the following information:

  

Can we remove the ball to use the Violin E-string as a loop end?

The ball-end is not designed to be removed for our Violin E-strings. You can order a loop-end version in our Kaplan Golden Spiral line. Because there is no loop end version available for the Kaplan Solutions non-whistling E-string (KS311W), a ball-end to loop-end adaptor is included. This ball end adaptor (part number KSAA) can be ordered separately and used with any of our violin or viola strings with a ball end.

Soooo, Pierre, can you obtain this adaptor thing? It seems it would make life much easier in the long run over having to find loop-end strings. I would much rather give money to Fiddlershop than someone else!

Until I find an adaptor or loop-end string, I will just be playing a string short!

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Not only can I but I have about 10 of them in stock.

http://fiddlershop.com/index.p.....ct_id=1462

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clapdancinbunnydancingThat is fantastic! I will order one tonight. I did not see them on fiddleshop, but that doesn't mean they weren't there.

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I have to work on the layout to make it easier to find.
You go to Accessories ---> Strings

At the time I did it it made sense. LOL

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Sadly, I don't think the adapter will work. Here are a couple shots of my 1940's era fine tuner:

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The loop fits over the screw looking thing sticking out in front of the tailpiece.

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You should be able to wedge the string through the slot, with the ball behind the little L-shaped piece. If the slot is too tight, wedge a nail file or something in there to widen the slot. It looks like the fine tuner on my more modern fiddle...

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I have to say, that fine tuner looks like it takes a ball end, not a loop.

The wire loop as it comes off the ball or in some cases the round spool that has the end of the wire wrapped around it fits in the slot. The whole thing looks very modern. 

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Like so -

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PERFECT! good job.thumbs-up

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Thanks to everyone's help - Cat, Dennis and Pierre - the ole gal is all strung up and ready to go!

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Yee-haw! Make her sing! violin_girl

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Oh, the little green tube thingy should be between the bridge and string - just slide it up over the bridge - it keeps the thin E string from cutting into the bridge.

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Ah, that explaines the bit of chenille on the old string I removed (but it wasn't on the bridge).

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IMG_20120218_210148comp.jpgImage EnlargerWhen I made a new bridge for my ol beast, I used a very tiny round file set to achieve the groove necessary to hold the string. Without the extra diameter of that tiny sleeve on the E string, it will cut like a cheese slicer and with repetitive vibrations and continued tightening you'll find it cutting and then splitting the wood, ruining the bridge. Here's a picture of my bridge with one string out of the groove for visual reference.

Cutting a "V" shape in the top of the bridge is very bad.. it pinches the string and will eventually splinter the wood with enough tension and small enough wire string.

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Can a loop end string be looped around the fine tuner so that the loop fits into the cut out for the ball?dunno

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springer said
Can a loop end string be looped around the fine tuner so that the loop fits into the cut out for the ball?dunno

miy original loop end string was looped around the post that the cut out was on. what does your fine tuner look like? as long as it stays under tension without popping off i would think it is ok, but... i am a total noob.

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springer said
Can a loop end string be looped around the fine tuner so that the loop fits into the cut out for the ball?dunno

Short answer - yes. It may only fit around one side of the split tuner prongs, if that makes any sense. Worked fine for me until I replaced my tailpiece with one that has integral fine tuners...

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I have fine tuners on everything so far and only use ball end strings so far, but I was just woundering. Thans for the info I'm a nu-be too. birthday_balloonflag_usa

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springer said
Can a loop end string be looped around the fine tuner so that the loop fits into the cut out for the ball?dunno

I know you got some answers but just wanted to say that if you can get the loop around both sides of the slot (slit) it would be even better. The reason for this is that there might be a cutting edge on the inside edge of the slot itself.

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Gotcha!!!!!!!!! Thankscheers

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