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Should I custom bend my sound post setter?
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I just tried monkeying with the sound post on my Cecilio using the sound post setter.  It seems a little awkward and I noticed that on eBay, you get sound post setters that are shipped flat with no bends.  Obviously, you have to bend them yourself, else they are not much use for anything.

I wonder if I should try rebending the one I got from the Fiddlershop to make it line up with the sound post better.  Should it already be OK?

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Go for it. You can bend them any which way you want to suit your need. The factory bend is not set in stone.

 

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November 3, 2014 - 8:38 pm
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First decide exactly what it is you want the setter to do then figure out how you will need to bend it to accomplish that task. I personally have not felt the need to re-bend them but it doesn't hurt. :)

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Hey ,

Here's a pic of mine with a ruler ...ya can put it in yer photo gallery and size it to actual size fer referance if ya want ....when i bought it , my luthier mentor Adon bent it for me and showed me how to file the axe end ...works great ....

Hope this helps ...violin-1267IMG_2145.JPGImage Enlarger

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I have a question: "Should I get one of these tools?" "I mean, how often should a soundpost be adjusted?"

I don't have a luthier in my area of Argentina and the soundpost, I don't fool with...it's kinda uncharted territory for me so far. But, I've read they move or can shift with time I guess?

" I just keep telling myself...."It's all about becoming one with your bow"

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Oddly enough, I just ordered such a device from the FiddlerShop today (not the style pictured here - rather the "VSP Classic" tool ).

With it, I intend to mess with the SP on an older fiddle I have here, to see if I can get it to stop "hooting" at me, which occurs somewhere between B-and-C on the A string.

But, I guess, accidents can happen when loosening / changing strings - for all they cost, probably worthwhile having!

I seriously recommend not copying my mistakes.  

Please make your own, different mistakes, and help us all learn :-)

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The right tools make the job easier, but these are what I use.  The little one is for the chin rest.spost-005.JPGImage Enlarger

Hmmm, sorry about photo quality, I guess today would be a good day to work on vibrato. Straw and thread. Bent coat hanger metal shaped like s. Pieces of metal through straw for sound post height. heavy paper clip with tape to limit travel for chin rest.

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Interesting thanks for posting......I can probably make one of those if I need to

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One usually does not need to adjust the post. There are hardly no professional violinists that do so. That is not to say that your violin doesn't need to be adjusted. We adjust almost every instrument that comes in the shop and change the soundpost in a good percentage of them. For some strange reason many of the Chinese makers are sloopy on that step. We sometimes see fantastic violins come through the shop with sound-posts that don't have even remotely the right shape to match the top and bottom. Also, we sometimes see sound-posts with 2 grains and some that are cracked or split, some that are too long and some that are too short. .... You guys would be surprised.

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Fiddlerman said
One usually does not need to adjust the post. There are hardly no professional violinists that do so. That is not to say that your violin doesn't need to be adjusted. We adjust almost every instrument that comes in the shop and change the soundpost in a good percentage of them. For some strange reason many of the Chinese makers are sloopy on that step. We sometimes see fantastic violins come through the shop with sound-posts that don't have even remotely the right shape to match the top and bottom. Also, we sometimes see sound-posts with 2 grains and some that are cracked or split, some that are too long and some that are too short. .... You guys would be surprised.

Hmm, interesting. Maybe they just assume that the shops have luthiers or that the customers will want to change it or have a custom fit? I wonder sometimes on some factory Violins if that's why the set-up on some brands is so minimal?

Maybe it's because of the variations in set-up preferance between Violinists/Fiddlers? Some like flat bridges, more arched, some lower, some higher, some like nuts super low and some a bit higher. Even string spacing at the nut can vary.

Interesting...I wonder why?

" I just keep telling myself...."It's all about becoming one with your bow"

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In the full time professional orchestras that I worked in, they players were spoiled and taken care of by the orchestra. For at least half of my professional career I didn't have to pay for the luthier or strings, and the second half, they increased our salary to take care of luthier/strings/maintenance and repair costs. If my memory serves me right, we were paid $150 a month just for that. The problem was that some players were generous with their strings and students. Also, one doesn't spare expenses when strings are free.

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Fiddlerman said
In the full time professional orchestras that I worked in, they players were spoiled and taken care of by the orchestra. For at least half of my professional career I didn't have to pay for the luthier or strings, and the second half, they increased our salary to take care of luthier/strings/maintenance and repair costs. If my memory serves me right, we were paid $150 a month just for that. The problem was that some players were generous with their strings and students. Also, one doesn't spare expenses when strings are free.

So in essense it's like Symphonies and Orchestras have sponsors who provide them instrument maintenance and kind of like "spsonsorship" of different string vendors etc? 

Only makes sense, I mean, it's the same with professional rock stars and pop music culture and the like....however, that's interesting I wasn't aware of that at all. Even so, as long as and as many years as professional orchestral musicians have had to put into their studies and music to reach the level they have, it seems only fitting to me at least.

 

So in essence, one could surmise that alot of classical and professional Violinists m ay not "know" how to do their own set ups, or, just don't need to or both?

" I just keep telling myself...."It's all about becoming one with your bow"

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Not really. The orchestra was sponsored by the government. They had a budget and these things were included in that budget. The luthiers actually took advantage of it and charged too much and sometimes for things they actually didn't do. I got upset once when I was asked to signed a receipt from the luthier for adjusting the sound-post when the guy just tapped a few seconds and wanted to charge for 20 minutes among other things he was adding to the invoice. Of course I didn't need to go to him and didn't after that.

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Sometimes I feel that it is such an honor just to be able to read what you write, FM.  This is one of those times.

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Fiddlerman said
Not really. The orchestra was sponsored by the government. They had a budget and these things were included in that budget. The luthiers actually took advantage of it and charged too much and sometimes for things they actually didn't do. I got upset once when I was asked to signed a receipt from the luthier for adjusting the sound-post when the guy just tapped a few seconds and wanted to charge for 20 minutes among other things he was adding to the invoice. Of course I didn't need to go to him and didn't after that.

Be nice to see the U.S. have such a healthy affinity for the arts here as they do over in Europe...

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Don't get me started on that one EBF. ;)

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