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The German Trade Fiddle
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Sofia Leo
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Well, it seems to be almost raining fiddles here on the Oregon Coast! I was browsing through a local thrift shop the other day and spied not one, but two fiddles on the counter. One was a cheap-looking Chinese 3/4 model with case and bow that wasn't worth the price they were asking. The other was this little beauty:

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Oh, sure, there's a scary looking belly crack there, but I paid very little for it and hope to gain some good experience with the repair and set-up. Here's the back -

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The varnish is not so shiny and the color is quite off in these photos, but that's what passes for sun in this part of Oregon in February and believe me, I am not complaining! The fact that there was light enough for pics is a rare gift!

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The scroll is quite nice and the pegs are well fitted. The flames on the neck are fake. Overall it's a nice factory job, IMHO.

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The crack goes all the way through the plate but it's very clean, like it happened moments before I saw it, and I hope that will make it easy to glue up. There are marks from bridge feet and the fingerboard is worn, so I hope it has been played.

The typed label reads:

Antonius Stradiuarius

Faciebad anno 1716

Made in Germany

The fact that it says "Made in Germany" in English marks this fiddle as having been made to be exported to an English-speaking country some time after 1890-ish. It's also stamped "Germany" near the end pin. Some of these German trade fiddles sound really good, so I'm hopeful that it will live up to the price I paid 🙂

Anyone have any info on dating this one?

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Fiddlerman
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February 25, 2012 - 11:07 pm
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Looks real nice. I really love the scroll and the back looks interesting as well.

Is the price top secret?dunno I would just be happy for you if you picked it up for next to nothing. My guess is that they didn't know much about violins at the thrift shop.

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I paid $25.00 for it, and I'm betting that it's worth at least four times as much 🙂 Won't know for sure until it's repaired and strung up, but I figure it's well worth the price for the experience of gluing up that crack.

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Cat, Great gain! I actually don't think the crack is that scary, i thought it might be easier to fix than your utah violin, just my opinion, you know more than i do.

BTW, I llike the way you stood it up on a jar to picture it:P

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pky said

Cat, Great gain! I actually don't think the crack is that scary, i thought it might be easier to fix than your utah violin, just my opinion, you know more than i do.

BTW, I like the way you stood it up on a jar to picture it:P

Thanks, pky! I got the jar idea from a post over on Maestronet. Works a treat! If only we had more light this time of year.

The crack will be easier (I hope) than the Utah fiddle - the wood is much more sound and the crack is very clean. I'll post about it tomorrow as the glue pot will be hot and fresh to glue up MGN's fiddle neck - might as well be all efficient and stuff and do two things at once.

Can you tell the OH is out of town and I've let all housework fall by the wayside? surprised

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You couldn't find a better crack than that one. Now to decide do you remove the top to repair the crack or work through the f holes with clamps. The violin can't be any newer than before WWII or it would say West Germany and it isn't new enough for when Germany reuinfied. So you got yourself a good one.

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Kevin M. said

You couldn't find a better crack than that one. Now to decide do you remove the top to repair the crack or work through the f holes with clamps. The violin can't be any newer than before WWII or it would say West Germany and it isn't new enough for when Germany reuinfied. So you got yourself a good one.

I hope it is a good one, Kevin. I'm going to try to glue up the crack without removing the top as there seem to be no other repairs necessary. If it doesn't hold the top will have to come off, which I kinda want to do to see the inner construction (does it have corner blocks? Linings? Through neck? The bass bar looks to be glued, not carved in...etc.) but the least invasive repair is probably the best, right?

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February 26, 2012 - 2:36 pm
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Sounds like a steal to me. Congratulations smile

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Well, the top had to come off - just couldn't get the crack to close no matter how I set up the clamps. Sigh. Here are a few more details.

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A better look at the crack and saddle. "Germany" is stamped just out of the frame at the bottom, under the end pin.

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While I waited for the glue pot to heat up, I figured why not get started. Four hours later she's in pieces. The fingerboard had to come off to get at the seam at the base of the neck. It came off in two splintered pieces. It was a pale wood, dyed black, which came off all over my hands when water was applied to the seam. That sucker was glued ON!

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The top is very roughly carved with a rather heavy, glued-in bass bar. It is quite wet in this pic as a lot of water was needed to soften up the hide glue. It needs to dry at least over night before I do anything else. I have work to do tomorrow, so it might be a few days before I can get back to it.

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It has a full neck block, which is a good thing.

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And a full end block, also good. The lower corner blocks, however, are fake -

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Only little wedges of wood to make it look like it has corner blocks when you peer through the FF holes. No upper blocks at all. The linings are a bit rough and it is filthy inside. The bottom plate is much more nicely carved than the top and appears to have no cracks.

Next up - fix the crack! There may be a couple of cracks that don't go through the plates on the upper bouts which will have to be dealt with, too. More to come.

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Sorry to hear about the fingerboard. Do you have one?

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Fiddlerman said

Sorry to hear about the fingerboard. Do you have one?

I don't have a replacement fingerboard. I'll have to order one soon. Do you stock them in the FM Shop? What about horse hair - will you be stocking that?

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February 27, 2012 - 8:23 am
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I don't carry fingerboards. You can find them here.

As far as hair is concerned I will be buying bulk eventually but in the meanwhile you should check out one of my distributors. Howard Core sells luthier tools and such to anyone. They don't sell strings, instruments and accessories to non dealers though.

Here are a couple of links.

Bow parts

Bow hair

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Interesting read, thanks Cat. 

 

Best of luck getting it all ship shape!

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