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The inside of a violin
a unique view inside
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rockinglr33
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hey everyone

as some of you know, i have a silent acoustic violin (for those that don't its an acoustic violin with much of the body cut out so its quiet) which gives me the unique opportunity to show you guys inside the violin while its still put together. I know several people have been asking questions about working on violins n thought it might help out to see what it looks like while its still together. the pics aren't the greatest due to being taken with an old smart phone but better then nothing! 

 

If there are any angles or views you would like please let me know and i'll post more pics for you.

Pic of sound post, base bar and  bridge from the back of the violin

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A pic of the base bar running along the top of the violin

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That's cool, how bout a pic of the whole thing front and back? How quiet is it? I always get the mood to play when everyone else is asleep. Is it quieter than using a heavy mute?

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@rockinglr33:  How about a photo of the whole violin from the outside. From the photo it appears that the top and bottom are both cutaway.

An as, risk mentioned, sound samples would be great.

Good post though, thanks for sharing.

 

Ken.

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@risk  I just uploaded to pics of the front and back for you. There are several critiques videos of me playing it when i first started learning but i did a side by side of the silent vs my regular acoustic (my internets being bit finicky so i'll have to add the link a bit later) . I don't have a heavy mute so i can't compare it to that but i do think it sounds slightly louder then an electric violin. I used it when i lived in the barracks, occasionally using the ultra practice mute, but no one ever complained about listening to my squawking so i think it was quiet enough it didn't come close to going through walls and i worked at night so i was always playing when everyone else was asleep. 

 

@Fiddlestix  thanks :D  

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the sound sample.  I think my silent was a tad bit out of tune. lol. oops. and my hands were freezing so sorry about all the missed notes! haha but gives ya an idea anyways.

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Very cool video. Nice to have the comparisons.
How did you fill the sides of the cut-outs?
Also, your home, from what I can see (if it's your home), is super beautiful. Love the walls and the arch.

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Very interesting!

The cutouts don't look like they are anything super critical.  One could perhaps use the idea with an inexpensive violin with perhaps playable enough action but disappointing sound quality, to get an inexpensive quiet practice instrument.

Using an unplugged electric violin or an ev with headphones is the usual thought.  But electrics tend to be significantly heavier than acoustics, and not everyone wishes to own an electric.   Inexpensive violins also tend to be heavier than quality ones, and the removal of that amount of plate material could make them a bit lighter.  Perhaps a better simulation, for those looking for such a thing.

I'd bet that the volume could actually be decreased a bit more with a bit of noise dampening material like foam rubber against what remains of the top plate. 

Not something I would want, personally.  But there have been folks who have intolerant neighbors or unsupportive family/housemates that severely limit their ability to practice.  It could provide another option for them to explore.

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@Fiddlerman  i so wish this was my house! but sadly its just the one i'm renting while i'm here in greece. If i could take it with me i really would!  As far as the violin nothing is filled in about the sides. I bought it this way, but i'm not sure the maker originally wanted it to have cut outs or not, but it was done prior to adding the varnish.

 

@DanielB   I agree! Its almost the same weight as my regular acoustic. A bit heavier around the neck and scroll but over all not that different. I find it still really fun to play and since its a bit louder then an electric its very easy to keep good intonation, and it wasn't that hard at all to transition over to a regular acoustic ( other then getting used to how loud my new one sounded!) I think it would be a great project for an  not so tonally great violin, or one a few mistakes were made on during the making. Mine doesn't have a makers mark in it, and at the time i didn't think to ask the shop where i got it. When i first saw it i thought it was an instructional violin to show how everything put together (and its great for that to) but it was awesome when having to be quiet but still loud enough for a tuner to pick up :D I've had a blast with it, and i know when i get back to the states i'm planning on putting an amplifier on it and playing around with it as an "acoustic" electric. :D  

Here's some pics of the sides. as far as i know from violin construction (which is only what i've seen on youtube) it seems to be just like a regular acoustic. it does look like they put a coat of varnish along the sides but not throughout the whole instrument. on the front and back plate it stops about an inch after the edges.  I think they might of done that so it was more protected since its more out in the elements but i'm not sure. If you would like more pictures just let me know :D I'll get batteries for my camera so they are more quality then these from my phone.

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@rockinglr33: Thanks for the sound comparisons. 

I agree with, Fiddlerman regarding your home, very stylish.

 

Ken.

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