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What I did With the Carbon Fibre Tailpiee I Took Off My Acoustic.
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I put it on my electric, since I figure it was maybe better grade than the plastic one that was on the electric.  And it definitely does change the sound and how the instrument responds if you change tailpieces. 

It lost a bit of the low end rumble, but gained some nice sound in the mids and highs.  The afterlength will need to be fussed with a bit after the strings have a couple days to settle, but the vibration and ring through the instrument are very nice.  It feels and looks nicer to me than the one I took off, and I do think the carbon fibre tailpiece with built in tuners sounds and adjusts better than the plastic tailpiece with the add-on fine tuners I was using. 

So I'm considering it a good change and that I got a double upgrade out of the tailpiece upgrade/transplant in that I like how it has worked out for both instruments, but it really only took getting one new fitting to manage it.  

"This young wine may have a lot of tannins now, but in 5 or 10 years it is going to be spectacular, despite the fact that right now it tastes like crude oil. You know this is how it is supposed to taste at this stage of development." ~ Itzhak Perlman

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Sounds like double winner to me, Daniel.

I replaced some of mine regular tailpieces with built in FT's and it's more manageable.

Good work.

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With a fixed tailpiece, the electric will sound even better. There seems to be space enough behind the bridge for the strings to be anchored in the body.

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Great job, Daniel!

Do you play the electric through a system?  Why do you like an electric model overall?

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@Svento: I don't mind the fine tuner tailpiece so much on the electric, where tone can be largely compensated for with the amp.  My main electric guitar has rear fine tuners on the bridge and they are handy enough for on-the-fly tuneups while in the middle of playing when jamming or gigging.  Though I have to admit that hearing the difference it makes on the acoustic to get away from the plastic tailpiece and the tuner hardware, I may end up at least picking up an inexpensive ebony tailpiece to try on the electric as well.  

The problem I would see with anchoring the strings in the body is I would lose some of the resonances that happen through the bridge because of the afterlength and tailpiece.  Also taking the angle of the string bend at the bridge even more acute would likely give a bit more treble but lose some bass, and maybe sustain. 

I'm liking the sound at the moment, though that doesn't mean I may not try changing some other things in 6 months or so.  LOL

 

@Mt. FIddler:  By system, I assume you amp and etc..

 

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I like playing electric for a number of reasons.  Without amplification, it is quiet enough that I can play even when others are sleeping.  And with some reasonable amp, speakers, and effects, if gets some really interesting and powerful sounds.  I don't use distortion effects much on violin at this time, but the delay based effects like phase shift, flanger, choruser, and assorted exotic electronic echos and reverbs are fun.  Most of the time I end up playing it pretty much straight, though, with just a bit of the amp's old spring reverb and with the old tube/valve amp I use and that 3X12 speaker cab, it is a very big sound even when the volume is low.  For rock, blues, techno, etc, it would fit in quite well.

I also like my acoustic, though.  Such a simple and essential instrument with so much sound from only about a pound of gear, acoustic violin/fiddle is just phenomenal.  And really, the only thing that actually sounds and feels like an acoustic violin is an acoustic violin.  I tend more to what I guess most would call folk music on the acoustic, or old love songs.

So I like them both, but I play the electric more often because it can be played when others in the household are sleeping or etc without disturbing anyone.  They are both good instruments, but have a different sound or feel and which would be the best choice in a musical situation would depend on things like the type of music being played and etc. 

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I'm not referring to finetuners but fixed v/s trapeze. Fixed, bolted on the body or just four holes through the wood. Better transfering of string energy. A far more dense bridge is also recommended for solid bodies.

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I think the trapeze style tailpiece may be part of the sound of the violin, or at least part of what gives the traditional acoustic violin some of it's sound characteristics.  The afterlength of the strings seems to be part of what decides what sympathetic resonances will occur between the strings through the bridge.  While it could be an interesting experiment to see what sort of sound one gets when going to another anchoring system for the string ends, I'd consider it more of an experimental risk than I'd be up for with what is currently my only electric violin.  

For all I know, it might sound even better with a fixed tailpiece.  The bridge is considerably thicker than on my acoustic violin, but that's because I was even more of a noob when I got it and didn't know one usually thins the bridge.  Well, and I was in a bit of a hurry to get the action on what is the first violin I ever owned into a more reasonable playing range. LOL

On electric guitar, I prefer a less acute angle where the strings cross the bridge and I am not as fond of the sustain characteristics of guitars I have played where go down though the wood to anchor.  I am more of a "Les Paul" style player when it comes to the sustain characteristics I prefer, though I know some folks do consider Tellies and Strats to be "better". 

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I have tried and I can tell the difference. On my old electric, I originally had an acoustic bridge and a trapeze tailpiece. A stiff body won't behave like a hollow and a weak bridge can't set body into motion. We have to accept that solid bodieas behave differently... The result of my changes was less acoustic output, fatter electric sound and less uncontrolled and painful overtones.

About strat v/s Les Paul: I lean towards the Gibson idea, which is stiff construction, minimum of vibrating parts and maximum transfer of string energy into body. The Fender way is free ringing and a lot of overtones. That idea is a game... Most likely, the sound will be uncontrollable, but Leo was lucky and his particular construction proved to be successful. Those guitars do have radical string angle over bridge, but the general idea is letting the strings ring free.

 

 

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Daniel, I can't tell from the image, but is the tail piece suspended from the end nut to the bridge by just string tension or is it mounted on that cross piece.

(I think that "cross piece" might be your shoulder rest, but not sure)

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It is just strings and tailgut, Ty, what looks like a crosspiece is the shoulder-rest.

@Svento: at the moment it is sounding pretty good, so I'll most likely stick with what I have for now.  Though sometime I'd like to try steel core strings and an actual electromagnetic pickup.  A lot less fuss than piezos.  LOL

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