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Milstein doing the Mephisto Waltz (with no accompaniment)
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Not superb quality recording or video.  But it is Nathan Milstein going solo with Listz's Mephisto Waltz..  Wow.

"This young wine may have a lot of tannins now, but in 5 or 10 years it is going to be spectacular, despite the fact that right now it tastes like crude oil. You know this is how it is supposed to taste at this stage of development." ~ Itzhak Perlman

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I can't see waltzing to that.

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Got to love that opening!!!

LOL! @Fiddlestix me either!

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wow is all I can say intense. Amazing sounds coming out in the last minute and a half.. oh my sweet sweet high notes.. .. the control... dang......I can hardly fathom.

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I do have to say,,,, he can play that thing, but I never heard waltz timing like that.

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Well, sorry that it troubles you that you don't hear what you think of as waltz timing in there, Ken.

I'm not a dancer myself, so I tend to take titles like this as whatever the composer decided to call the piece and figure that's good enough.

Franz Liszt, the composer of this particular piece is usually considered to have known his business.  According to some sources, between original compositions and arrangements of other composer's pieces, he was responsible for putting out about 1,300 pieces of music in his lifetime.  Other sources say "only" about 1,000.  He knew and in some cases taught other prominent composers as well.  Oh, and he was a virtuoso pianist. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franz_Liszt

So I don't know.  Maybe the waltz had a different definition in the 19th century.  Or maybe it was his sense of humor.  It is a "Mephisto" waltz, though, and sometimes "Devil" pieces like that weren't intended to be something anyone human could dance to.  He wrote 4 Mephisto Waltzes.  So it might have been a fashion of his time or some personal "thing".  

I've always rather liked this one, though I'm more used to hearing it done on piano, so I thought Milstein's performance of it on violin was pretty amazing.  That is all I was really posting the link here for.  Never occurred to me that anyone would want to debate whether or not Liszt should have been allowed to call it a waltz or something.  LOL

Here's another Milstein performance, from when he was about 80.  It's Bach, so more "orderly" music than wild and crazy stuff by Liszt. 

"This young wine may have a lot of tannins now, but in 5 or 10 years it is going to be spectacular, despite the fact that right now it tastes like crude oil. You know this is how it is supposed to taste at this stage of development." ~ Itzhak Perlman

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Yupppp....  I'm pretty much impressed ( you don't hear that often from a Scotsman ) - and - it just shows how much you can "beat the $hit" out of the strings when needed...   I would almost say "rock on" ( oh... I just did... LOL ) - Valse or not ! LOL - cool find @DanielB - I really have to listen to this a couple more times without watching.  OK, done it - scrolled up and with eyes shut - 1-2-3   1-2-3 hmmmm Valse - me too - it kicks in at times, and tempo changes (possibly!) ....  I don't know enough to comment on that...  but by heck I sure did enjoy listening (and WATCHING - which is quite instructive as well).  Thanks for the post Dan..

EDIT: OK  just caught the second post - the Chaconne - NOT my musical style (naturally - in my old age, I'm a (budding) rock-god LOLOL ) but by heck do I appreciate it...  Thanks !

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Well Bill, yeah.. I enjoy listening to some "classical" now and then, even have a few fave pieces and performers.  But it's not something I aspire to playing, myself.  I don't have the "roots" or inclination for it. 

"This young wine may have a lot of tannins now, but in 5 or 10 years it is going to be spectacular, despite the fact that right now it tastes like crude oil. You know this is how it is supposed to taste at this stage of development." ~ Itzhak Perlman

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DanielB said
Well, sorry that it troubles you that you don't hear what you think of as waltz timing in there, Ken.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franz_Liszt

Doesn't trouble me. I rose from my chair to see if I could pick up a waltz tempo to the song, and I couldn't and I have done my share of dancing, but then I don't have the musical back ground to know what music is anyway. I didn't go to college for it and Franz Liszts' credentials don't impress me either.

I guess I'm out in the cold when it comes to good music.

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Fiddlestix said

I guess I'm out in the cold when it comes to good music.

 

No, I don't think so, Ken.  Not at all. I know for a fact that you know and play plenty of good music. 

I think every century, generation, decade and etc has it's own good music and even some really great music.

But I think maybe musical tastes and terms might have been a bit different back in the 19th century than we think of them now. 

Mr Liszt in particular, I can enjoy hearing some of his stuff, but some of it just doesn't make much sense to me.  I won't say it sounds like just noise.. But some of it seems like bits and snatches of music that just don't make sense together for me.  I don't understand what he might have been trying to say with it.  There's this piece for example.

The first few minute are very serious, and it's some pretty stuff.  But then if you jump in to about 6 minutes, I can pretty much guarantee that you've heard it before.  But mostly in old cartoons where Bugs Bunny or Mickey Mouse or etc are all going nuts.  To me it just doesn't make sense to go from one to the other in one piece of music like that.

But back in his day, it was one of his most popular pieces.  It got played and requested so much that he got sick of it to the point where he didn't even like hearing it.  And apparently it wasn't goofy or zany sounding to folks back then at all.

dunno 

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Fiddlestix said
I do have to say,,,, he can play that thing, but I never heard waltz timing like that.

dunnofacepalm

It's more a virtuoso version performance than a real waltz. I wouldn't want to even try to dance to that.  I understand you completely Ken. 🙂

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