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Hello, my name is Brad. I have played guitar for over 20 years, but have recently stopped being a slave to tabs and began developing my ear. I dabble in piano and harmonica, but have recently picked up an Eastman VL100 and have been practicing an hour a day since I got it. I have the "Old Time fiddle for the complete Ignoramus" book which is awesome, and I have a keen eye on picking up the Darol Anger "Blues on the Fiddle" DVD if it isn't far beyond my ability, which is a question I was going to pose to the forum after introducing myself.

I am also having issues with choosing a chinrest. It seems like I need one that doesn't have the higher end facing the outer edge of the fiddle, but tapers up slightly from the outer edge to the inside of the chinrest. I have a Kun shoulder rest, but am wondering if a properly fitted chinrest would eliminate that need? Are there measurements and observations that could be related here to help me choose the proper rest? There is a store in town i'm going to attempt perusing tomorrow which would be the one and only place around to audition chinrests, and I am not sure how many different sorts they stock.

Currently I've gotten through the first few songs and the D scale in the ignoramus book, and am trying to get intonation down which is how I came to the need for a properly fitting instrument. I have some trouble keeping the thumb bent in the bow as well, and not knowing what should and shouldn't hurt after just starting to play. The lack of frets isn't what's getting to me it is the small amount of space compared to an acoustic guitar, and the fact my muscle memory thinks a whole step is nearly 2 inches still. =) Oh and I've worked out two songs partially by ear, I looked at sheet music for the first few notes, and learned "When Johnny comes Marching Home" and "Willie the Pimp" (Zappa). The bowing required for those is a little more complicated than the skeletal "Ida Red" from the Ignoramus book that I love to play leads me to believe I should stick with going through the Ignoramus book because it seems to gently guide you through the rough spots.

My problem with guitar is I am still able to run better than walk, and I feel 20 years of relying on tabs has been very detrimental to me and am willing to fight to gain the ear I think I should have after as long as I have played. Oddly enough this bizarre little instrument called a fiddle seems to be what I need to unlock the music I know is inside. I want to make sure I do this without being reliant on a book or a computer or anything.

 

Of all the forums on the internet regarding fiddle, I chose this one to post in. I lurk everywhere, but I like what I see here. Thanks for being splendid, and reading the novel I just wrote.

 

Brad

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coolpinkone
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Hello and Welcome.

I can't answer your question on the chin rest, however I have the Kun shoulder rest and I am wondering the same thing. I have been wondering about a different chin rest, even one of the ones that is in the center and of course higher to compensate for the shoulder rest.

Have fun on the forum!  Jump in and get your feet wet!

Congrats on your new violin!

Cheers and Welcome again.

Toni

Vibrato Desperato.... Desperately seeking vibrato

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Fiddlerman
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November 5, 2014 - 7:02 pm
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Hey Brad,

Welcome to the forum. We have plenty of guitar players here to share info about the relation or lack of between the two instruments. :)

Playing Guitar, Piano, and Harmonica are indications that you are both musically inclined and probably have a good ear by now. ;) I've never seen the "Old Time fiddle for the complete Ignoramus" book but it sounds like a great beginners book.
Concerning the blues book, I haven't seen that either but I have a blues section on this site HERE. I believe it's very basic and could suit your needs to begin with.

Picking out the proper equipment early in the game is very smart indeed. It'll keep you comfortable and relaxed while practicing, which will in turn keep you happy and practicing for longer periods as a result. So your intentions are perfect. Just make sure you find the setup that allows you to relax.

 

dirtytony said:  Of all the forums on the internet regarding fiddle, I chose this one to post in. I lurk everywhere, but I like what I see here. Thanks for being splendid, and reading the novel I just wrote.

Brad

Music to my ears.dancing Look forward to following your progress.

"The richest person is not the one who has the most,
but the one who needs the least."

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Hey Brad,

I here ya on the Guitar thing > I was not really going steal but needed something else to apply to my Guitar. > Been doing the Viddle thing for 2 years or more now > I think?

SOooo > what I have learned is > I am finding myself applying what I am learning on the Viddle to the Guitar and what I know on the Guitar I am applying to the VIDDLE >

It has been a SWEET thing > hard to explain > but I think what you are looking for > you will find on the Viddle > Not a smooth ride at first but~~~~ it will ROCK!! if you put yourself into it.

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Hi, Brad. Welcome aboard.  I also struggled with the chin rest for a while until I got aggravated one day and just took it off altogether. I'm so much more comfortable and relaxed now when playing. I've never been able to use a shoulder rest at all. Before you spend a lot of time and money trying to find the right combo chin/shoulder rests, try playing without them to see if you even need them in the first place. Just a suggestion. Good luck!

Let the bow flow.

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Fiddle Chick, I too took off the shoulder and chin rest and found that it was more fun like that, it also improved the sound.  The change in the sight picture of the strings (since your head is on the right side of the tailpiece) takes a week to get accustomed to, but it certainly gives you the sense of freedom and I played more smoothly.  But I also found that I was now aiming the neck at about 30 degrees and was having problems with my shoulder when playing the g string by having to swing my elbow far to the right.  I was uncomfortable.  Then I almost dropped the violin when coming down from 3rd position and my chin was not fast enough to grab hold.  So yesterday I put chin rests back on the violins.  But I don't like it now.  All of that leading up to this:  how do you hold the violin and have you had a problem with dropping it and does your left shoulder have a problem?

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Mr. Yikes -- I think I'm confused. Are you saying that without the chin rest your chin is to the right of the tailpiece? Mine is on the left, same as if I did use a chin rest, just resting my chin on the instrument instead. I've never dropped it (knock on wood) and have no issues with my left shoulder or hand. My biggest issue of all, and unrelated to chin or shoulder rests, is with my right shoulder. So I have to use my elbow, wrist, and fingers when bowing so that my shoulder stays in its normal resting position. I will say that I tend to hold my instrument a little more toward the front of me than to the side. And depending on what type of shirt I'm wearing (as far as material) it does tend to slip a liitle, but I usually just pull shirt collar over and let the instrument rest on my skin. 

Let the bow flow.

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You then have the best of both worlds.  Congratulations.

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