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Irish/Scottish Embellishments?
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Does anyone know of a list posted anywhere with all the Irish/ Scottish embellishments for fiddling?

The only one I am aware of really is the Irish Roll. Not knowing the names of them, it makes it very difficult to look them up.

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Hi RP,

 

Try this site: http://breizhpartitions.free.f.....scores.php

 

It has loads of well knows traditionel songs with scores. Songs like O'Sullivan's March etc.

 

Hope this helps.

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That is a completely awesome site, thank you! It even has MIDI and other files compatible with the software I'm using for most of the songs. cheerleader (I can't read music.. :/ )

 

I was looking for a list of stuff like:

"Irish fiddling uses Vibrato, Irish rolls, (enter correct terms here so I can look up videos/websites on them)."

It's hard to learn about something I don't know the name for in most cases unless I get lucky. I figured it couldn't help to ask here. dunno Sorry I am so bad at terms.

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Welcome to the forum and thanks for that link. It's a great one.  thumbs-up

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WHOA!! Irish music is really difficult! I don't take a chance to play it. /hope it's not for long/. Some day i'll definitely try.. when learn all stuff i work on.. facepalm

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Great link. I book marked it. Some great guitar stuff there too. Welcome Fred! jimi-hendrix

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Quote: "learn the cut and triplets, before tackling the rolls"

 

Perhaps this could be a good tutorial idea for FM?  I could use some tips on that myself (mind you I could use tips on anything -I've never had the pleasure to play, yet.  I should receive my first violin this week!)

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Which instrument are you expecting this week? I'm always open to suggestions.

I think I already welcomed you but if not, welcome. thumbs-up

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You did but thanks again!  I wrote the "mute vs electric" post... decided to go for an acoustic violin with the CVN-500 from KK.  It seems like a popular one and most people seem to be quite pleased with it.  I can't wait to get it.  It won't be easy but I'm up for the challenge.  I've played a bit of mandolin before, it probably won't help much but we'll see.

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Fred said:

....  It won't be easy but I'm up for the challenge.  I've played a bit of mandolin before, it probably won't help much but we'll see.

Yes- it won't be easy. But that is one of the reasons why it's so much fun and interesting! I could never imagine myself playing open strings for 1/2 hour on any other instrument (string instrument i mean (not a tambourine (don't like to be misunderstood =))))! dancing 

 

Welcome to the FORUM by the way!! cheerleader 

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I Finally found this guy explaining triplets or he says its called burl? (on another one of his videos)

Since I am lucky(?) enough to find people slicing themselves with violins when I look up "cuts".. :/ Is this "grace notes" video a "cut" just under a different name?

Also should I be using that much rosin to make my violin white while I'm playing?? It seems excessive from other things I have read here but I am sure there is a reason?

And sorry Fred, yes, Welcome to the site.  😀

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That is interesting.. How does he make that sound that he plays from 4:02? It's not a tremolo is it? duncecap

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The first thing he plays when he starts that song from 4:02 is a triplet. here is the video I was talking about above with that. It's the only video I found explaining it so far  :/

In the video that you asked about though he was playing the grace notes and the triplets I think. I need an expert opinion myself... or help finding something explaining cuts that don't involve people bleeding on YouTube lol

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That's amaizing!!! I'll definitely try this "triplet" tomorrow (it's after midnight here already cry) can't wait...wwwww... Have you tried the triplets already, RP?

devil-violin Thank you very much for post!!! And for topic... 

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Yes, I have tried them. I am failing pretty miserably at almost everything fancy at the moment. Vibrato is by far the most disastrous, so far. I am working on things are super slow speed and hoping I can speed things up. (except Vibrato... all I do with that is slam the violin into my neck and my bow goes flying all over so you can't even tell what the heck I am doing.)

I really need to figure out how I am going to be able to take a video of myself so I can get some advise.

 

Hope you have fun working on the triplets though 😀

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RP said:

...except Vibrato... all I do with that is slam the violin into my neck and my bow goes flying all over so you can't even tell what the heck I am doing...

 roflol YOU'RE FUN!! LOL!!! Sorry but i start laughing every time i read it....roflroflrofl ThaT is the sense of humor!!!

 I dont know if it will be helpful for you, but it helped me to learn vibrato.. Slaming violin into your neck might be caused by squeezing violin's neck. 

1) First of all, when you do vibrato try to touch your violin only with the left thumb but not with the palm near to 1st finger (i don't know how you guys name that placeduncecap) So - 2 points of touch: fingertip that makes vibrato and the thumb.

2) Exercises for relax the grip :

        1. SIREN: Put your 1st finger on G string in low Ist position (Ab = A flat) and slide it to the up on fingerboard then back again. You want to have an even sound without interruptions. Do that for every finger. (If you can make it sound like siren- success !!)

        2.  RUB VOILIN'S NECK: PLay [A B Csharp D E -> D Csharp B A] on A string and ALL the time you play it - rub gently violin's neck with the thumb.

3) Exercise for vibrato: HOLD THE BUG: Imagine a little cute bug on your table. Put your 1st finger on that bug (you don't want to kill it, just hold) and do slight movements in random directions (don't forget that when you do that movements on violin the direction is strictly parallel to the string!!). Try not move your fingertip on the table (or ELSE you will kill the bug =)). Your hand is totally relaxed... Do that for every left-hand finger.

Hope you have fun working on the triplets though 😀

Yep!! Well it happened that way, that even i couldn't  tell "What the heck i am doing" LOL!!!rofl 

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Thank you Mad.

Your video you found is crazy! They are doing a great job playing on each others violins though LOL! You know you are good when you can do that.  😀

I found out I was squeezing the neck AND touching the violin with that part of my hand. (I don't know the name of it either). I found a video on it and all the bad habits related to doing it. I do exactly ALL of them. I am getting a new shoulder and chin rest tomorrow that will hopefully help me a lot and let me start all over again at holding the violin. I am also going to bother the store people as much as possible to make sure I am holding everything correctly.

 

After re-evaluating how I am holding the violin, and can sort of do - what seems to be- a bad slow version of vibrato now though now that I am not holding it like I was.(And no more crazy fiddle slamming, bow sliding madness!... Less anyway lol I don't look like I am having a seizure anymore at least LOL)

I was trying to find a video example of the hold the bug exercise and I couldn't find one. I am not sure if I am doing what you said correctly, but it's hard to do what I think you are saying to do.

I found suzuki videos of the siren thing. going to try that after there is no danger of waking everyone in the neighborhood up. lol

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RP said:

After re-evaluating how I am holding the violin, and can sort of do - what seems to be- a bad slow version of vibrato now though now that I am not holding it like I was.(And no more crazy fiddle slamming, bow sliding madness!... Less anyway lol I don't look like I am having a seizure anymore at least LOL)

roflol 

I was trying to find a video example of the hold the bug exercise and I couldn't find one. I am not sure if I am doing what you said correctly, but it's hard to do what I think you are saying to do.

I'll make a video example tomorrow =)

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Here is the example of Hold-the-bug:

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Sorry i've listened to my voice on the video after i downloaded it. It sounds very indistinctly. So i hope you'll understand something though embarassed

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