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5 - 6 - 7 & 8 note scales
the number of notes in different scale types
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what got me on to this was some discussion about bebop jazz scales which are 8 note scales. Consider this: Pentatonic sc. 5 notes, Blues sc. 6 notes, Maj/min sc. 7 notes, diminished & bebop jazz scales, 8 notes.

The 8 note bebop scales, when played in 1/8th notes, fall metrically on the chord tones, either played 'straight' or swung, same with the 8 note diminished scales.

This got me thinking about how the number of notes in a scale type can affect rhythm, timing, phrasing, cadence, syncopation... that kind of thing.

I'm suggesting that, for improv, switching scale types can not only change the melody, but almost forces the player to change or vary the rhythm, phrasing etc. this would be at a constant beats per minute tempo.

This can be applied to a basic 12 bar blues. besides the standard pents and blues scale..... modal maj/min scales, diminished & bebop scales can be worked in. Would need to go thru the 12 bar cycle a few times.

Here's an example of the ascending Dominant 7 bebop scale with the descending Major bebop scale... up 2 octaves G, A, B, C, D, E, F, F#, back down 2 octaves G, F#, E, Eb, D, C, B, A, G. listen for how the 1/8th notes fall on the chord tones for a G7 chord.

any feedback / opinions on this? 

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Bluesviolin,

 

Interesting never heard of an 8 note bebop scale before humm I printed off your post and after lesson Thursday I'm going to try it out and see how it sounds.

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Hi Mark, pardon me if this is a rather silly question... is it that you've never heard of a bebop scale, or that you've never heard of an 8 note bebop scale?

An Aebersold book I have lists a couple of more minor bebop scales, besides the Dom7 & Major bebop scales previously listed... all 8 notes.

They may have been specifically 'created' for the bebop genre (not sure about the history of them)

That's a big part of what gives bebop it's dizzying speed and helps to fly thru the myriad bebop chord changes, and the 8 notes, played in 1/8th notes, that land on the chord tones, gives the listener somewhat of an anchor to the ear.

long time ago, I took the chord changes from an Aebersold book called 'bebop tune', (32 measures) and programmed them into my sequencer which had a pre-set bebop background. No way I could improvise over it, so I memorized a solo with enough notes in it to qualify as bebop. I played at it for a while, enough so I could do it about three times thru without messing up, and then I let it slide. I just wanted to see if I could do it, even though it was a memorized solo and not cold improv.  

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Bluesviolin,

Actually both while I have heard some Bebop I had never looked in to the musical structure of it so an 8 note Bebop scale was new to me.

 

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