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jeffcraft1
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September 4, 2015 - 9:35 pm
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ok im so frustrated ive been playing for two years and it seems to be getting worse i have no idea what im doing wrong to know how to fix it its very discouraging

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Well Jeff, I can't say it was a bad bounce at all.

Frustrating to you, hell yes! I didn't hear but about 3 or maybe 4 times it really bounced.

I have found over the past years I've been playing that if I get a bounce it's usually because I have the bow hair too tight. Sometimes it's a combination of too tight and not enough fresh rosin. If I have old rosin on the hair from like, 2 days ago and just pick it up and start playing, I feel a tendency to bounce. Maybe not related but it happens. A bounce is the hair 'grabbing' the hair and rolling the string or hair or both causing it to wind up and release ever so slightly which when repeated rapidly causes a bounce.dazed

Also when that happens I'm usually trying to play gentle and soft with a lot less pressure on the string(s), which tends to make a bounce.dunno

 

I hope my insight to my issues with bounce helps you get yours under control.

Try a little less tightness and every time to pick up the bow to play, stroke it a couple of times with your fresh rosin.thumbs-up

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jeffcraft1 said
ok im so frustrated ive been playing for two years and it seems to be getting worse i have no idea what im doing wrong to know how to fix it its very discouraging

Hi, Jeff.  I have been playing less than one year.  First violin was a Fiddlerman apprentice setup.  No bow vibrating, I just had to get faster and learn finger positions, bowing technique etc.  I played for 6 months and no issues.  I just got a new violin, slight upgrade.  Do you know, I have tried two different bows and it has a wicked bow vibration for both, on the D and A strings.  So bad it wobbles and bobbles.  I am thinking this is due to the setup and the harmonics of the bow with where the soundpost or bridge is or something.  It sounds awful at times.  I am going to put on different strings and see what happens.  I think if you have been diligently playing 2 years it should not be getting worse.  Have you tried a)different strings or b)moved your chinrest or c)adjusted the bridge slightly.  I will let you know what happens when I play with mine a bit.
 

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Hi Jeff, I didn't think that was a terrible bounce, but I understand the frustration as I got that a lot in the early days and still get it occasionally (I'm about 18 months in). I find it happens when I tense up (for example when playing something difficult for me) so maybe you should work on relaxing as much as possible when you play. Down bows from the middle of the bow are the worst as the bow has a natural tendency to bounce (which is how advanced players can do special bowing such as spiccato).

When I was trying to cure my bounce in the early days, I did a lot of googling and found that this is about the most common problem for violin players you can get! It can result from all sorts of technique issues including how you hold the bow, your bowing arm (though I have to say your bowing movement looks fine to me).

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yeah its very distracting

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September 5, 2015 - 3:40 pm
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Try not giving sudden downwards weight pulses at any time. For example the first time when the bow starts bouncing you made a quick downwards motion in the middle of the bow and the second time, you changed strings to a lower string which caused the sudden downward pressure to start a bounce.
Like the others said above, it's not bad and not that obvious to others.
Another trick to alleviate the bouncing is to turn the bow inwards and use a slight angle so that the hair is not 100% flat. The turned bow will act as a shock absorber. 🙂
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ive noticed by slow bowing that i was trying to start changing my wrist motion even before i had stopped going in one direction now that i have begun practicing putting pauses in before up bow and down bow it wont be long before i can bow faster like thant and several months to years ill be able to play at normal speed with no bounce

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That is good. Think of it like painting a wall. You need to pull the bow behind so when you change bowing your fingers should get a head start at readjusting. Paint on, Paint off. LOL

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My problem has been (and still continues to be at times) Too much tension on my bowing arm. I need to relax it to get a smoother stroke. I work out those boring bowing exercises and shake out my arm a lot helps.

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Hello! Its been a Looooong time since I posted last.

This was a long time problem for me. The video FM posted is exactly what it took for me to over come the bow bouncing and the mechanical sounding bowing. Here is what I might also add from my own experience.

Set the bow about midpoint across your strings like you are going to play. release all pressure on the bow until it starts to pivot on its own. then slightly increase finger grip. Don't hold the bow like a baseball bat, grip it like its a very ripe peach.

Also, when you bow, pretend there is a spring attached to the midpoint of your hand. It always causes drag. So as your bow goes forward, your hand lags slightly behind. then as you change bowing direction, the lag causes your wrist to flex smoothly the other direction. At the point of change, your bow will continue for a bit as your wrist starts its journey. the bow will catch up as your hand again starts to lag.

in simpler terms, bow shuffle. Do LOTS and LOTS of repetitions. That is the motion you are looking for. A shuffle has no arm motion, its all wrist flex. Once you get the shuffle down then start adding that wrist motion to your bowing.

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