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Is the bow supposed to be drawn in a perfectly straight line or along a slightly orbital path?  Perhaps this is another cause of bounce.

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March 30, 2012 - 5:19 pm
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This is a great question Composer. I hesitate to say that it should travel an orbital path because this is very advanced but you draw the bow so that the bow travels at the location of where you want it to be. For example while making a crescendo you pull the bow so that it slides towards the bridge. Away from the body on a down bow and towards the body when you switch to an up bow.
This in itself doesn't cause the bow to bounce.
Begin by loosening the bow slightly to see if that helps.
Try turning your hand inwards slightly when you get the bounce.
Apply slightly more pressure if that doesn't help.
Try to get your fingers to drag behind instead of pushing forward the bow (hard to explain that one) LOL
Let me know if any of this helps.

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@ com'poser':

could you post a couple of videos of you playing both ways? I'd like to compare the sound of a parallel bow action to an orbital one...

I bet the orbital one will vary in intensity and strength of notes produced.dunno

 

Post a single video if you like but post one so we can see if there's a major noticeable difference in quality.

I have to see with my eyes more than think with my mind. I guess you could consider me a practical violinist that has to see and hear the reality of play instead of a theoretical one that considers all the potential moves and pressures and directions and achieves none of them.dazed

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Pierre, I wasn't clear in my question:  I'm referring to the normal angle of 90 degrees between the hair and the string and whether that ever deviates from 90 degrees in a smooth fashion.  Of course if it deviated too much you would contact the adjacent string.   I tried different hair tightness, no difference. 

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Have you ever seen my videos on drawing the bow. If you can get the bow to drag behind the fingers so to speak, that will help. As far as the angle that I know think you are talking about, no it will not affect the bouncing. Bow as much between the other strings on the D and A as possible. Playing on a greater angle will run more of a risk of hitting the other strings as you said above.

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Yes, the problem is in the downward movement from the frog...the first 2-3 inches that is dominated by movement of the upper arm.  I don't know if I'm pushing down too much because my arm is still not in good shape or what.  Obviously by the frog is the least comfortable position at the start.  I'm going to spend more time on short strokes at the frog with 1. just fingers/wrist action to get them looser 2. regular action with the upper arm.

I think it will come around as long as I'm more careful in working the problem out before moving onto something else. I will stop fussing and see what daily practice over the next month will accomplish.

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March 31, 2012 - 8:13 am
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Good idea. Short half and quarter bow length strokes using different tempos on every string close to the frog and a little higher up as well.
Good luck with it.

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