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Jim Dunleavy
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I was browsing through Fiddlerman's tuition videos yesterday and came across the one about using drones to practice scales, so I had a try at playing along with some.

I could hardly believe how incredibly useful they are to practice with! You can teach your fingers (and ears!) exactly where the correct pitches are. And they don't just work for scales, some simple pieces work with a drone as well! Fantastic!

Who else uses them for practice?

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I do.  Right up there with metronome as practice tools.

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BillyG
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Yup, same.   Also, as I am slowly coming to terms with shifting position, I find it interesting and useful to practice 2-note chords ( if a chord can have only 2 notes ) and not "just" open string drones, and I often just "play about" with things like chord progressions - which are probably more familiar to the piano / guitar way of thinking - for instance - one of the most common (and easiest) progressions in the key of G major is the chord progression G, C, D - i.e. in interval terms the I, IV, and fifth.

Gmaj   Cmaj     Dmaj

D         G         A

B         E          F#

G         C         D

You can find quite a number of different ways of picking two of the three notes, but useful to retain the F# in the Dmaj chord ( F# is the 7th of the tonic ), which gives the sense of an impending return to the tonic.

Once you have a "pattern" or just some sort of improvised piece with fingering sorted out, move up and do the same on the D and A strings, then the A and E.  So you'll still be working with the same I, IV, V intervals, but based on the different root/tonic

Great for practice and intonation checks - and also great fun to do !

A simple tune that works well with open string drones (and you find a way to slip in at least one fingered-two-note-chord) is Skye Boat Song.

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@BillyG Have you seen this thread?: http://fiddlerman.com/forum/le.....et/#p71230

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Yes @BillyG - also when the boat comes in works with a single drone note.

I've even started using them for my flute & sax scales now. Helps me get the problem notes of the scale in proper tune, rather than getting used to the inherent intonation problems on the instruments.

Bizarrely, since learning the violin, I've become more fussy about intonation on my other instruments, and it's making me improve on those as well!

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BillyG
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June 14, 2015 - 8:23 am
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Schaick said
@BillyG Have you seen this thread?: http://fiddlerman.com/forum/le.....et/#p71230

Strangely enough, no!   Just must have missed it entirely - which is a bit unusual for me!  Thanks - and thanks @KindaScratchy for the fine work there !

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@BillyG:

Not wanting to over-complexify things, but when you're working against accompaniment and 7th chords are involved, you also may want to consider whether the accompaniment is using the major 7th or dominant 7th for the chord. 

To use your example, if you're working off the F# of the D chord to lead back to the tonic G, but the accompaniment plays a G7 (dominant 7th chord) instead of a Gmaj7 (major 7th chord) to resolve the turn-around, then that F# is going to have a lot of "jangle" against the G natural and F natural than it did as the 3rd of the D chord..  

Not saying that dissonance can't be used.  The tension from a bit of dissonance and it's resolution to consonance is part of the dynamics of soloing, how we keep the listener's interest.  Stacking up half-step dissonances can work.  Just saying, you want to make sure you're using them on purpose. LOL

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Yup @DanielB - you make a good point to be understood and not overlooked. So yes, one needs to be careful in the choice of note when playing against accompaniment! thumbs-up

Primarily I was just thinking about solo practice and getting the ear used to these drones/double-stop intervals and their resonances and "beating" largely for intonation purposes, especially with both strings stopped - and not with one just droning.  (This was a fingering exercise - once it became easy ( ROFL ) to reliably and repeatedly play single notes in-tune, I initially found placing another finger just a little bit troublesome - odd things would happen - like the originally stopped finger would shift slightly and so on...)

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I'm a beginner and am working intonation along with bow hold, etc. I love the idea of using these drones for practice but the A drone doesn't sound like the A drone Fiddlerman uses in his drones video, on the same page.....needless to say, my A doesn't seem to fit the A drone, either. What am I missing?

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Kittysoftpaws said
I'm a beginner and am working intonation along with bow hold, etc. I love the idea of using these drones for practice but the A drone doesn't sound like the A drone Fiddlerman uses in his drones video, on the same page.....needless to say, my A doesn't seem to fit the A drone, either. What am I missing?  

It might not be the same one because I couldn't find the originals and I had to recreate them in a format that would work on Wordpress not that long ago.

Still don't remember what I did but to get it to correspond to your instrument you must make sure that you are tuned fairly close to what is being used on the file. 

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drone.JPGImage EnlargerIt appear that the problem (at least mine was) is that the label is closer to the clip above, but refers to the clip below.

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Ahhh, I see. LOL
Maybe I should fix that. 🙂

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