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Fingering diatonic scales in higher positions
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Example:  3-octave G Major Diatonic scale;  the first shift to 3rd position occurs on D2.  Then the 1st finger plays D, 2nd plays E, 3rd plays F#, and 4th attempts to play G...but if you leave the 3rd finger down the 4th will be sharp because the distance between the semitones on the fingerboard is too short for both fingers to be down at the same time.

So how exactly is the gymnastics between 3rd and 4th fingers dealt with?  The scale book recommended fingering does not indicate sliding the finger so I guess the 3rd finger just moves sideways a bit to make room for the 4th finger to play the G.

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Dear Mr. Composer:

I'm writing and posting this in hopes that it will sink in.

I've been following your posts and trying to figure out your theory of mastering the art of playing the violin. Do you have one yet ?  From what I can figure out by everything you have said, you haven't opened your violin case yet. Everything you have posted so far on the forum is that, according to your thoughts, and what you have researched, is that the violin can't be played. This is what I get out of it.

You are making it into something that I myself am not sure if I want to continue playing the thing.

Here's what you can do. Open the violin case, it should have three latches on it, take the violin out of it's case, turn the frog screw to tighten the hairs on the bow, place the violin under your chin and pull the bow across one string at a time. Look at your song book and play each note, one by one and stay in first position until you have that mastered, then move on to second position and so on. Twinkle, Twinkle Little Star, can be played on two strings, starting with open D. Try it, you may like it.

Believe me, i'm not trying to be mean, but everything you have posted so far here has been about technicalities of playing the beast.

Good luck.

Your friend : Fiddlestixsmile

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I might be confused but I was under the impressions that "Composer" is a violinist....

Anyway, as far as playing the 3rd finger F# in 3rd position on the A string and using the fourth finger to play G is concerned, I assure you that you can do it without moving the 3rd finger out of the way. Just play them right up against each other.

There are some notes way up on the strings that you need to use the upcoming finger to slide in and partly replace the position of the previous finger to play in tune on those half steps but that is much higher than 3rd position unless your fingers are extremely large which might be the case.

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Fiddlerman said
...There are some notes way up on the strings that you need to use the upcoming finger to slide in and partly replace the position of the previous finger to play in tune on those half steps...

Yep! A dur for example G#(3rd octave)->A natural (4th octave). Even my toothpick -fingers don't fit in there, have to move themyellroflviolin-student

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Pierre, the 4th finger on G in 3rd position is also the 1st finger in 6th position so its not really a case of saying "I can't finger 3rd position at all".  The 4th finger on G is always slightly high even though its not a G#.  Either I move the F# slightly below center or else slide the 3rd finger to play both notes.  But no way is there enough room for both fingers adjacent to each other.

My fingers are of average size but the matter concerns which is considered more appropriate for intonation:  fingering or sliding because in a 4-octave scale it is unavoidable anyways.

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Pierre, the 4th finger on G in 3rd position is also the 1st finger in 6th position so its not really a case of saying "I can't finger 3rd position at all".  The 4th finger on G is always slightly high even though its not a G#.  Either I move the F# slightly below center or else slide the 3rd finger to play both notes.  But no way is there enough room for both fingers adjacent to each other.

My fingers are of average size but the matter concerns which is considered more appropriate for intonation:  fingering or sliding because in a 4-octave scale it is unavoidable anyways.

4th finger on the G in 3rd position is F you need to use the corner of your fingers. Make them smaller so to speak. Hard to explain.

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@com'poser' could you post a picture of your fingerboard?

I'm curious about a theory I have been thinking about.

Perhaps that pic could include the bridge as well.

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