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Holding the Violin Without Using the Shoulder-Rest
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Fiddlerman
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September 14, 2013 - 10:07 am
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In this video, I demonstrate how I hold the violin without the help of a shoulder-rest. While holding a violin without use of a shoulder-rest may not be for everyone, it allows those who can get used to it a sense of extra freedom while holding the violin. In my case it helps me be more expressive and relaxed. In my early studies I was using a shoulder-rest but felt locked into one position which actually limited my movement enough to hold me back. When I got rid of the shoulder-rest and learned to relax without it I felt free. Remember not to lift your left shoulder and relax completely.

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Fiddlerman
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September 14, 2013 - 10:21 am
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Please look at the new poll. If you come up with a great answer to add which I did not use, please let me know.

You can select one or two answers.

Thanks :-)

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but the one who needs the least."

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I'm not using a shoulder rest and it feels ok > I do like the freedom of being able to move it for different scenarios. At this time I do put a small amount of pressure on the chin rest with my jaw bone when I am going down the neck otherwise my instrument seems to pull away from me. The upward lip on the chin rest and my jaw bone seem to hold it in place for me . I don't know if that is a progression that will eventually fade or if that is proper.

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Fiddlerman
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September 14, 2013 - 11:00 am
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Sounds perfect to me StoneDog.

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September 14, 2013 - 1:18 pm
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I've pretty much always played my acoustic without a shoulder rest.  It is just comfortable like that, for me.  For me, what works is a little more on the collarbone than what Pierre shows.  As both StoneDog and Pierre say, a little bit of help from the jawbone for shifting, but much of the time when playing my jaw bone may not actually even be touching the instrument.

My electric, though, is whole different animal. LOL  The different shape and greater weight make it not comfortable or steady at all without a shoulder rest.  I don't feel that it is that my neck is super long so much as my electric is so thin and heavy and just balances in a different way than the acoustic does.  It weighs about twice as much as my acoustic.  It didn't come with a shoulder rest, and trying to play it without one for the first couple of weeks until I figured out it really needed one was very uncomfortable.  Tension headaches if I'd play for very long at a time, and kinked neck on waking up several mornings until I made a shoulder rest for it.

Since I play my electric more on a typical day than my acoustic, I play more with shoulder rest than without.  I enjoy playing both instruments, and don't find it difficult at all to switch back and forth between them.

But that's the thing, you use whatever it takes to make it work.  The important thing is to be comfortable and to have the instrument steady.

I kind of disagree on the "long neck" logic for shoulder rests.  While length of the person's neck is certainly one factor, I think it's a more complex thing than that, and the shape and location of a person's collarbone and shoulder and the shape of the jawbone are all factors.  There is so much variation in how people are built (and sometimes some differences in instruments) that it is just sensible that for different people or instruments, one might or might not need to use a shoulder rest. 

For all that I have seen some huge arguments in some other places about whether it is "best" to play with or without a shoulder rest, I feel that the only "best" that matters is what works good for an individual player and their instrument.  But I also feel it is good to gave a fair try to both ways and see for yourself, rather than thinking one way or the other must always be better, and then trying to live with making that decision work. LOL

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laserbrainz
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I started out with a little fiddler pad, sort of like Pierre's sponge, but I think my neck is just too long. I couldn't hold the violin up without using my hand and my neck and shoulder would cramp up after a while. So I went and got a shoulder rest and am much more comfortable. I was a little bummed though, because I like the idea of the freedom not using one would give. Maybe once I get better I can try it again.

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Mad_Wed
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I can play without one, doing vibrato, shifting and etc. But it waves from side to side, so string crossing is still tricky for me. As soon as i'll solve this problem, i'll let that shoulder rest fly out the window... But it's not yet... not yet...LOL!

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Kevin M.
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Nothing wrong with using a shoulder rest. People like me with no neck have a hard time using one but people with long necks should find it better to use one and if it works for you it's right.

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I have and use a Kun mostly, but some times I switch to just a folded towel (any German people out there, its a towel of Bavaria  ;)

 

Like Mad said, it tends to wobble left/right when I get really excited playing without.

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