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how do we define the level we are at?
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I know I'm at the beginning level, but when I look at the music at intermediate level, I really could sound out all the notes ūüėõ (want to fly again).

I browsed at some violin books, it seems to me that beginner is at where you learn to play at A and E strings and with your fourth finger plus bowing techniques (correct bow hold, straight bow, use elbow, etc).

Then intermediate is where you learn to play on all four strings and 5th and third positions as well as vibrato, play expressively (p, mf, f, ff, phrasing, etc), and more advance bowing techniques (e.g., ???)

and then, advance level....

So, anyone could help me with this labeling? I'm the kind of person who like to know where she is at and know what  should be learning at that level.

Thank you!

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Good question, pky!!

I don't define my level at all. Many things i do like a beginner, some of them i hope comes out like intermediate... and i can't objectively estimate myself (everything always seems not good enough to me). I think that you don't have to define your level, if you think that you can do something (play the intermediate level song for example) then DO IT!

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This may or may not be useful but the book titles will at least give you a hint about where you are.  The Suzuki books are pretty standard.

 

http://www.violinmasterclass.c.....?type=mthd

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Click on the small print  Define the levels.

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Mad_Wed said:

Good question, pky!!

I don't define my level at all. Many things i do like a beginner, some of them i hope comes out like intermediate... and i can't objectively estimate myself (everything always seems not good enough to me). I think that you don't have to define your level, if you think that you can do something (play the intermediate level song for example) then DO IT!

devil-violin 

 

I do jump into things, but I still prefer to learn new things systematically and know where i'm at and what I will need to work on. In this case, i also like to use it as a guide for my daughter's progress.

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Oliver said:

This may or may not be useful but the book titles will at least give you a hint about where you are.  The Suzuki books are pretty standard.

 

http://www.violinmasterclass.c.....?type=mthd

coffee2

Click on the small print  Define the levels.

 

Thank you very much! I love the level ten and I always get there before I went through other levels such as 56789, only the crazy parts, though:P

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I don't like to follow along with structure at all when learning an instrument. For me it holds me back. I keep exploring all the different hand positions on violin and really try to hear the notes. Ya do need structure though but to me it's not about learning one math book then the next one, It's about playing on key then move on. But if you are talking about your daughter she's probably too young to explore on the violin unless she really likes playing instead of treating it like a math assignment. The comments you made above should all be done at a beginner level I think.

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myguitarnow said:

I don't like to follow along with structure at all when learning an instrument. For me it holds me back. I keep exploring all the different hand positions on violin and really try to hear the notes. Ya do need structure though but to me it's not about learning one math book then the next one, It's about playing on key then move on.

Everybody learn differently. 

But if you are talking about your daughter she's probably too young to explore on the violin unless she really likes playing instead of treating it like a math assignment.

She improvises already:P I almost posted it, but decided not to:P 

The comments you made above should all be done at a beginner level I think.

i do it when I feel comfortable enoughūüôā¬† expecially like to do it with Carillon (can't do that anymore), where people from within a mile could hear it LOL¬†and there was a sign¬†that said, "Do not improvise!" ¬†

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Just trying to help you pky. You said you were on my tail if you remember pky. You n I started playing about the same time. Don't listen to that sign that says do not improvise. You're right though, we all learn different and that's ok.

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Oliver said:

This may or may not be useful but the book titles will at least give you a hint about where you are.  The Suzuki books are pretty standard.

 

http://www.violinmasterclass.c.....?type=mthd

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Click on the small print  Define the levels.

Cool link Oliver, thanks.  That makes me about level 2.

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pky said:

I do jump into things, but I still prefer to learn new things systematically and know where i'm at and what I will need to work on. ..

It's really good and you're absolutely right.

Don't want to be misunderstood. I'm not saying that your learning have to became chaotic. We all want to know what we need to work on. But if know that something is going still wrong you can't just systematically stuck on it, saying "i won't continue until i do it right.." or something.. You just keep it in mind and go on. Some of them fixing themselves automatically. For example: you can play "Twinkle,twinkle" with crooked bow, but you can't play "Ave Maria" that way.. So it fixes when you start to work on it that way..

Something you can fix immediately ‚Äď something is for long work..

I think that will be forever a lot of things we HAVE to work on, and things we WANT to work on… on every level.. so i don't see a reason to define levels. But that is only my theory. That works for me and not necessary work for someone else… wink

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