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Playing with E.T.
Attempting to learn with essential tremors
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canman763
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Just started (attempting) to learn to play the violin. Been reading through some of the topics/posts, and this soundss like a collection of helpful people. So here goes!

 

At the present, I have a great deal of bow bounce and/or vibrato (built-in, lol) due to my condition called "essential tremors". Does anyone have any helpful advice? It is almost discouraging!

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@canman763 

Hi Bill

I'm afraid I had to do a bit of research to understand exactly what ET was. Am better educated now :)

Just a couple of questions if you don't mind. How severe is your ET, and is it progressive? Are the meds working for you? Are you taking beta blockers or the like?

And finally, could you possibly post a video of your playing? It would be a great help in   finding a solution to the problem.

We'll do what we can to help mate.

John

Seen it all. Done it all. Can't remember most of dunno ..... What was I saying???? facepalm

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Ferret: 

Appreciate the 'get-back'. To answer your questions, (1) yes, they are pretty severe (any of my drinks, i.e., coffee, coke, etc) must be only half full or I shake them out (2) I would consider them progressive as they are worse than they were when they first became an issue (about 25 year ago) (3) I was taking beta blockers (Propananol [or however you spell it]) but the dosage, maximum, started slowing my heart-rate down to a problematic level, so I came off it. I am presently not taking anything. My understanding is, the remaining solution would be surgery on some part of the brain and I'm too old to put out that kind of money!

If necessary, I will continue, give it my best shot, and enjoy it to the fullest. I am still in hopes that someone who plays, with tremors - or even Parkinsons - will read and offer some suggestions.

BTW, one major issue iis holding the bow the "proper" way. You might say I have to hold it with a death grip (pinkie behind frog) in order to maintain some degree of control.

Again, thanks for the response, and any offered help. Will try to get somekind of video soon.

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I don't even know anybody who is in a similar situation, so i can't help here, but i admire your courage, Canman763! I believe, learning could be kinda tricky wih this condition but achievable. Though i have just one advice for now - if You use the death grip, watch your hand to be relaxed.

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I don't know if this is helpful or not, but for this professional violinist with ET he had Mayo Clinic implant stimlators so he could keep playing.

"Make every note beautiful", Ivan Galamian

“To play a wrong note is INSIGNIFICANT; To play without PASSION is INEXCUSABLE!” , Ludvig Van Beethovan

"It ain't rocket surgery"

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Thanks for the tip, Mad_Wed. While practicing This evening, I loosened my hold on the "death-grip" and noticed a vast improvement in the sound. I wish I could control it better, but, it just shakes uncontrollably. Maybe, as time goes by. I've only had it a week.

Again, thank you. 

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gwscheer:

Thanks for the video. I had googled this story after I started ( a week ago) and to be honest, I don't see the price of the surgery worth the years I have remaining. If I were younger, maybe. I will be satisfied to make a reasonable sound (not even close to professional). I'm hoping , with time and practice, I won't sound like a cat fight.

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@canman763 

 

Well i wanted to say welcome to the site, i don't believe i said so earlier. it is definitally a wonderful thing your trying to achieve. I don't know anyone with ET to help you along but maybe playing will help with the tremors as well. music has an amazing way of healing.

Any who, I'd agree with Mad_Wed that the more you are able to relax over all the better and more smoothly you'll be able to play so long as you can hold on to everything. I find once i start to tense my hands, my whole body tenses and its a down hill practice for me from there. It took me a bit to get out of the cat fight/ screaming banshee stage but with practice and patience its worth it. Using scales to help learn the finger positions helps a lot and playing with the tone of the note. I know FM has drones on his site that helped me a lot! Best of luck. Hope to hear more from you soon! 

 

heres a link to the drones:   http://fiddlerman.com/fiddle-l.....-practice/

Lead me, Follow me, or get out of my way!

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@rockinglr33 

Appreciate the reply. I am about to think E.T. fiddlers are few and far between. lol

The scales are a great help on learning finger position and intonation. But I guess I am a little impatient - I want to be playing something! It seems impossible when one hand is shaking the violin and the other one is playing 'Chopsticks' with the bow! I guess one of my hangups is the 'shakes'.

I was working on a piece today ( had to go to Muscore and write the melody), and when I finished practice my wife said, "That sounded sorta like "The Old Rugged Cross". WOW!  Knocked my socks off - it being recognizable with all the squeaks and stutters. But she's 100% supportive!

Relaxing is going to be a challenge for me, but I'm going to stick it out and overcome it. I realize it is going to take some time (maybe more than usual).

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I hear ya with scales being boring! i don't know if your using any type of method book to learn, but i know i use mostly the Essential Elements 2000 and its been awesome for helping with my bordum because i just flip the page and start on something a little more difficult and work on it a bit then go back to what i was bored with and it helps me continue learning and getting better. i'm an easily bored person so i definitely understand that! Patience is definitely key to learning. lord knows there are times i just want to call it quits after a bad practice but after a day or so i'm chomping at the bit to get back to it!

 

And i wouldn't doubt there are players with ET few and far between. its a daunting thing to learn especially if its harder to control then normal. way to go for the challenge! 😀 

Lead me, Follow me, or get out of my way!

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I love scales. > They are the stepping stones across the musical streams of SWEETness. Scales open up musical worlds.

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Thanks for all the encouragement, y'all. I realized that in order to play violin I had better get a grip on my scales. (I'm not playing 3-chord progressions like on guitar. lol) 

I am not, at the present, using any kind of 'teach yourself' manual; I'm basically winging it (using my limited musical knowledge and 'play-by-ear'). 

Again, thanks, everyone. I was hoping to post a 'two-week' vid, but it still needs work. Maybe in a week or so.

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