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Reading complex music sheets
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al_th
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Hello !

 

Here will be my first question on this forum. Please not that it is just the beginning of a rainbow, a tempest of question coming. But let start with this one !

 

When i was young, i learned a bit music theory. I can read notes very slowly ( let say that 80 bpm is a high average of what i am able to read without having any problem (maybe i am a little bit optimistic, but i am working on it.)

The youtube video which bringed this question in my mind was :

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I obviously now that it is not a beginner piece, and i am completely okay with this. But i came with a question. When looking to a sheet of music like this, do the player read while he is playing. Or does the player read before, learn some parts which are difficult to read, and when playing, just look at the sheet to keep the good temp, the good accentuation, the good accents, and to know where he is ?

 

I hardly see myself reading this kind of sheet of music, even in 20 years (actually, read 1 note at a 80 bpm tempo is already hard, what should i say with a 130/140 bmp tempo with 3 notes each beats...)

Thank you for your time !

 

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Kevin M.
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I can play this...Just have to click on the Arrow and it plays roflol

 

I wouldn't know where to start to answer your question.  I find it hard to believe that someone could just play this without learning it first.  Maybe not completely memorize it but memorize the patterns.

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A friend of mine (That actually can read notes) says that the way he does it. Is that he practices really hard on the entire piece. So that he more or less know it by heart. So that when he sees the segment, he knows what to play.. 

Reading advanced notes consists of several stages, among them are

Analyzing. This is where you slowly and thoroughly go through the piece, reading note for note, visualizing every key.

Practicing. Often you practice a segment at a time. Possibly at half speed or something like that. Until you get a hang of it. 

Memorizing. This is where you try to stand on your own feet. A good analogy would be that someone holding a speech sounds way more sincere, and a lot better if he can talk without reading.. Just using the notes, the general look of the notes as keywords that reminds you of what to play 🙂

 

This works for him, and everyone he knows. 

As a sidenote this process is entirely dependant on your willingness to practice like a mad horse. It yields good results though.

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It seems to me that there were some unwritten pauses in there.  Just saying...

 

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This is too advanced for anyone to read. What we do is work on it from start to finish real slowly. Not all parts have to be played that slowly at once but most of them on Paganini. Some pros have and will never be able to play Paganini.
In THIS case it is not so much the speed but more the acrobatics involved in playing this. Stretches, chords, etc.
Generally we have the music to pieces like this so that we don't get a memory slip. If I perform Paganini I like to do it without music. It takes me a few weeks of intensive practicing to prepare something like this. I've only really played about half of the Caprices because they are so difficult and we don't get that many opportunities to perform them. A lot of sheet music that you may consider difficult, I can read and play in tempo and often not miss a note.

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I knew you could do it!  Anyone who can play this deserves a standing O.

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LOL! rofl /tries to count 6 extralines above.. counting with fingers...D? drooling/

How one can read it duncecapduncecap? It's much easier to learn... I can't play with music sheet anyway...

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64th notes... dazed

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Mad_Wed said

LOL! rofl /tries to count 6 extralines above.. counting with fingers...D? drooling/

How one can read it duncecapduncecap? It's much easier to learn... I can't play with music sheet anyway...

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You told me that this forum was fun, this is one more proof 😀
Really liked this one !

@everyone : Thank you for your answers, i begin to understand the process of playing music with music sheets now... (I had music theory lectures, but we never applied what we have learned to the violin lecture i had, in my memory at least. It has been a long time but i never understood how good musicians were doing it)

As i did not receive my instrument yet i try to use my time struggling with music sheets again, it's difficult and painful but it might help later ! 

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Don't you just love those dog-whistle-range octave notes? Lol! Some of those way-the-heck-up-there notes are not instantly recognized by ear or sight alone, but going through fingering positions and counting notes up the scale- we would often write the letter value for them on the music in Youth Symphony for a frame of reference. And those lightning fast notes...36th, no, 64th???...notes. Yeah, no one could learn this by ear alone because no one could possibly hear all of those notes that fast. What Pierre said was our approach in Youth Symphony with some of the more complex pieces....or more realistically, a few people had those down pat, and the rest played air violin- ha!

 

Can you imagine if they had a "follow the bouncing ball" video (like Karaoke) following the notes while the tune played? That ball would be a zig zag streak.  

 

        

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Big WOW!
I'm just chuffed that I was able to follow the music while it was being played.
But tbf, those tram-lines helped.

I guess if you break it down into manageable chunks rather that getting blinded by the whole page, it helps. (just like many challenges we face in life today)
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True. Baby steps.

When I learn something like a Paganini Caprice I take down the tempo considerably to get the acrobatics of the piece in place properly before stepping up the tempo.

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