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TerryT
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it seems a few of us here are really beginning to work on our bowing, splendid!

Problem for me has been the dreaded bouncing bow, dagnabit!

I have (fairly) flexible but strong wrists from my martial arts background, but the bouncing now is gonna send me over the edge!

Following the advice of FM and Neska ( even though I now have a court order against me courtesy of the neighbours coz I was playing til 3am this morning ( I don't know what the GF thinks, she left and took the cat with her, but hey, I'm focussing on what's important here.)
Monotonously, I did full bow, lower third, middle third and top third bowing for 5-10 mins each and it seems I only bounce when doing a full bow on the down stroke, starting from approx 1 third bow length away from the frog end.

Any clues anyone!

(I'm desperate, I want the cat to come back, I really miss her scratching my music to shreds!)devil

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February 7, 2012 - 3:40 pm
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Please have someone film your right hand when you take a full stroke from frog to tip.
Keep your fingers close together. http://fiddlerman.com/fiddle-l.....o-i-start/
Let the hand lead and the fingers follow. Have a relaxed grip but maintain a constant pressure. Too little pressure will make it hard to not bounce.
Turn the bow inwards about 45 degrees to see if that keeps it from bouncing.
Do you you have bow with a lot of arch? If so, don't tighten it too much. Less than half an inch.

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Spot on!! A solid hour tonight (apart from stopping to shake out the arms and add the odd forum post) of mirror work, exagerating the hand 'flow' gripping just enough to not drop the bow, copying your finger position, seems to have done the trick.
A knock on effect is that I seem to be bowing more consistently mid-way between bridge and fingerboard!!!
Thank you!! thumbs-up

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February 7, 2012 - 6:12 pm
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Yeeeeeeeeee Haaaaaaaaaaaaa !!!!!!
That's great news and only the beginning ūüôā

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Good job Terry!

 

I am going to get back to this bowing business at lunch today, I hope I can have as much success as you!

 

Unfortunately I come from a weedy none-martial arts background and have weedy wrists. Although you would think that just being a hot blooded man would mean I had some advanced wrist action devil-violin

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Cheers Mister! Haha, you must mean pulling pints! Yeh, since I focussed on doing everything with l-I-o-n-g-! Bow strokes, it seems to be coming together. The proof will be infront of my teacher at saturdays lesson, (which is followed by a "do" at Lichfield Cathedral to watch my teacher in action with the Darwin Ensemble)

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Oh sounds like fun! Have a good one.

 

You have just reminded me of a question I forgot to ask. Do you know if you are supposed to play each note with a full bow? So if it is a standard whole note like the majority in Twinkle do you use the whole bow and just bow at the speed that means  one whole bow length is one note? Then for a longer note bow slower and visa-vers?

 

Or do you just use say half a bow for a whole note?

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As a rough guide I would use as much bow as possible in the beginning. There are FB HB notes on some music I have seen when the instruction is to use half-bow or full-bow and probably even which half to use.
But I seem to get a much better quality of note playing a whole bow at a speed to match the note length( but the volume is "full" lol)

Hope this helps

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Yeah that's where I was coming from really I recently started trying to force my self to bow faster and use as much bow as possible and when I didn't balls it up it seemed to produce a much fuller sound.

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I see you are a (oooh)sailor sir!

 

What do you sail? I only get to one regatta a year (the Little Britain) Cowes I love it though. We charter and race Beneteau 40.7s in that.

 

My dad is taking delivery of a new X boat in May though, much excitement!

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Yeah, I atarted 25 years ago when I
Lived in south Africa, just weekend racing. Then came back to the uk and took up dinghy sailing in the local reservoir. Fortunately, it had an offshore section and a couple of guys were in a boat syndicate in Greece so it was out there every year to shakedown the boat or move it to some new islands ready for the gin-brigade.
We used to run sailing courses so would charter round the island or Lymington, Dartmouth etc to give the noobies some skippering/1st mate experience.
We did a week in Feb one year up the west coast of Ireland, nice in the gulf stream and plenty of Guiness and local Irish pubs, slendid, hic!
Hey, if it's an X65 and you need racing crew, let me know!!!

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Sam, you need to actually learn to use all parts of the bow but you don't need to use the whole bow on a whole note. You only need to use as much bow as is necessary to get enough, good quality sound for the length note you need to achieve. Often you will want to use a full bow on a whole note but not necessarily. Play scales with bowing in mind. Sometimes whole bow scales, upper half, lower half, middle.

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