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So I got to the part in EE2000 book 1 where it talks about staccato. Well to help understand what exactly it is i've done a bund of research online. A lot of the forums and videos say that staccato is supposed to be stopped with the bow on the strings. I find that my notes when i do this sound rather harsh. where doing staccato with more of a lift its easier and i can keep the notes flowing better.  Is it possible i'm just pressing to hard when i go to stop the note?  A lot of the videos said the staccato should "bite" more into the string, and i think this is where i'm going wrong.

I understand the concept of it but i just can't get it to flow right without it sounding like a rather unsavory note. lol. Any and all help would be appreciated!!! 

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I use this with Minuet 1, Bach from that book.  So I think of the opening notes... I slide down on the d note... and then up.. a quick stop and pressure  and UP.

I do leave the bow on the strings.  I have seen it done with the bow lifting and it is cool and peppy.  ( I believe a while back Ken taught me the word for if the bow comes off the string and I think it is different)

But since I was trying to do it as the book was teaching, I leave my bow on the strings.   I think you will get it and all I can say is that I stop quickly and start up quickly with pressure. (kind of a jerky motion).

 I am not sure if that helps.   (If you google Minuet 1, Bach.. there are a bazillion youtubes of this song, you might catch a couple good examples)   :)

Good luck.  I like Staccato now.. I think you are going to love it too.

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humm I'll have to try that! I'm pretty sure i understand how you play it. I think the one where you lift is spicatto (spell?). 

 

I think i'm just using way to much pressure....guess i'll have to play around with it and see what works best! muh hahahaha.

gotta love a good challenge! Its so fun to go back and see songs that seemed so daunting at the time and notice how much easier and just joyful they are to play! I just can't wait to get into shifting to the different positions! but i got a lot ways to go!!! 

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September 25, 2014 - 10:21 pm
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Staccato is a pressure and release, seperated notes technique. The release is the part that you need to focus on for the sound and where you are most likely having trouble with. If you press too hard you'll also get a bad sound. "Spiccato" is the other technique where you bow bounces and actually leaves the string.
If you make a video question for me showing your difficulties, I'll make a Q&A video for this.

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oh awesome fiddlerman! I will definitely arrange one for you here soon!! :D thank you so much!! 

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Look forward to it. :)

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@Fiddlerman  just sent you a video via sprend. :D i'm so excited!! hope all is well with ya!! 

oh and hopefully the file isn't to big. i know my mac likes to make them huge. lol. i used quick time player to try and knock down the MB and hopefully sprend makes it easy to access as i've never used that site before!

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It wasn't too big. :) Can you please reply to my email, which you might have done and I haven't checked. :)
Thanks

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Hey @Fiddlerman I just wanted to post a brief video on my practice of the arkansas traveler. now granted this was only after 5 minuets of practicing  per your awesome video, and i wanted to make sure everything was looking good as far as doing the Staccato correctly before i develop bad habits that i have to un learn them and re learn the correct way. :D  (oh and i just have to say, your way is so much easier to understand then the other videos i watched! Love it! i hope more people jump on the Q&A train!!) 

The video angle is a little weird, sorry about that. Im not sure i get quite enough "half moon" movement yet, and i played one of the parts wrong but like i said it was only a few minuets of practice. and i think i might be collapsing my left wrist a bit. 

Please let me know any and all critiques and constructive criticism ya'll can think up!!

I uploaded it using quick time player and kept it short (no talking) because some people were having a harder time loading the bigger videos and i haven't had time to tweak the programs without having to upload to youtube.

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@rockinglr33 great question and follow up video.   (I need to go back and try that song). :)

@Fiddlerman great Q & A 

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I don't know why but "Video format or MIME type is not supported".
I can still watch it by clicking on the attachment. :)

Bravo!!! Although I never heard the before attempts, this sounds like you are completely on track and in fact, for 5 minutes of practicing the new technique, it's fantastic... Quick learner I presume. :)

The 2 bows down and 2 up is kind of a suggestion for practicing variety. It sometimes makes it easier but you should practice both separate and 2 and 2.
Look forward to hearing about it after some weeks...

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Thanks :D If i can watch someone play a technique and i'm able to listen to what i'm playing several times i'm usually a very fast learner. especially when given simple and easy directions on how to play! I'll see if i can scrounge up a video of my before performances...but it frustrated me to no end after only a few notes so i don't know if i have any over a few seconds long. lol. 

 

I noticed on my EE book they also do the 2 up bow and 2 down bow practice. Its so fun to hit this and be working on longer pieces in the book. I'm playing around with a few songs/sheet music to just for fun and to see how much easier its getting is awesome!

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I love that you are sticking with the books and doing the work. Good Job. I need to go back and do more lessons and practices.

This whole Staccato exercise and how you got help and applied and did well has inspired me.

Thanks to you and FM.

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Thanks toni!! :D

I'm glad i can help someone other then myself with my videos :D I know if i don't stick with the books, i get to feeling kinda lost about what i'm doing so the books do really help me keep on track and keep improving. If i get a bit bored, then i'll pick up some sheet music or one of the free pieces on here to learn and then i'll go back to the book again. It taken me A LONG time to get mostly through EE2000 book 1. A little over a year now i think.  and i'm dwindling down to the the last pages....I want to reach the last page so badly because Book 2 has been starring at me for so long now lol. 

 

If you need any help feel free to ask away! I know i'm not done yet but i'll gladly try and help with what ever i know!! I couldn't have gotten this far without everyone here! 

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