FORUM

Please have a look at our Forum Rules. Lets keep this forum an enjoyable place to visit.

A A A
Avatar

Please consider registering
guest

sp_LogInOut Log In sp_Registration Register

Register | Lost password?
Advanced Search

— Forum Scope —






— Match —





— Forum Options —





Minimum search word length is 3 characters - maximum search word length is 84 characters

sp_Feed Topic RSS sp_TopicIcon
Too Much Rosin?
Topic Rating: 0 Topic Rating: 0 Topic Rating: 0 Topic Rating: 0 Topic Rating: 0 Topic Rating: 0 (0 votes) 
Avatar
LyleA
Little Rock, AR
Honorary advisor
Members

Regulars
November 8, 2013 - 11:20 pm
Member Since: January 28, 2012
Forum Posts: 207
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

This happen to anyone else?

I kept noticing over the past two days that my bow strokes sounded awful.  (At least by comparison to my norm.  It's always badviolin-student)

Anyways, it kept slipping on the E and sounding very scratchy.  String changes were hard and so was playing softly.  I had this terrible gut feeling that I was getting worse at playing. 

So I decided to whip the stings and the bow hairs down to bare and start anew.  I make two swipes onto the cloth with my bow, noticed a huge amount of rosin rubbing off, and decided to try it out.  To my surprise, my playing improved about ten fold.

I guess the moral of the story is, don't under rosin and definitely don't OVER rosin. 

Never mind maneuvers, just go straight at them.

Avatar
RosinedUp
Honorary tenured advisor
Members

Regulars
November 9, 2013 - 3:17 am
Member Since: September 7, 2012
Forum Posts: 985
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

I've found that keeping the strings clean makes a huge difference.  I clean them with isopropyl on patches of tee-shirt material, taking care not to get the alcohol on the wood.  I rosin the bow only once or twice a week, playing, IDK, 10-15 hours per week.  Some time after applying rosin, I reach a time when the playing is the best.  I think it may be just that the strings get fouled quicker when the bow has a lot of rosin, and I get lazy sometimes about cleaning the strings.

Also I think this is a time of year for problems of tone, those being related to humidity changes and their effects on rosin.

Avatar
coolpinkone
California, the place of my heart
Members

Regulars
November 9, 2013 - 7:14 pm
Member Since: January 11, 2012
Forum Posts: 3755
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

I concur with this rosin on the strings building up and making things sound a bit bad.

facepalm  I don't do this every week, usually I just keep  playing and being grumpy at my sounds..and then  I look and there is build up.  (duh)

dazed... .I just use a plain cotton cloth that I knitted and it pulls it off.  I also got a great cloth from Fiddleshop and it works great too.cheerleader AND like @RosinedUp says  It does sound even better if I do alcohol, but I don't do it that often. violin-1267

Vibrato Desperato.... Desperately seeking vibrato

Avatar
DanielB
Regulars

Members
November 10, 2013 - 7:21 am
Member Since: May 4, 2012
Forum Posts: 2379
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

I rosin every day, about 2 swipes seems to be good.  I don't get more than a little dust on my instruments, so I doubt it is too much. 

I clean the strings every day.  First I wipe them with cork, which takes off most of the loose rosin and then with a cotton cloth.  I have also cleaned them with alcohol a few times, with some rosins I've used that seemed to leave more build-up that just didn't come off easily.

If I put in several hours playing and the bow starts to stutter or it's taking more pressure than usual to get it to "bite", then I'll give it another swipe and see if that was it.

Too much rosin makes a mess, but I haven't noted it doing anything bad to the sound as long as it wasn't built up from not cleaning them every day.  If it builds up, it gets hard and the strings can start wanting to make some ugly sounds.  Usually the first sign of that badness that I've noticed is the strings just don't respond as quickly.  And they just don't sing as well.  They can also get a bit "dead" sounding, like old strings do.

That's why I developed the habit of cleaning them every time before I put the violin away. 

Well, the acoustic gets cleaned and wiped down every time before it is put away.. 

My electric never gets put away, so sometimes it goes for some days before it just isn't sounding right and cleaning the strings is one of the first things I'll try to fix that.  But my electric hasn't seen the inside of the "gig bag" it came with except for a couple of times since I got it, and I clean the electric when it gets to looking scruffy with rubbing alcohol, paper towels and duck tape.   LOL

 

So to the original question yeah, I've noticed that if the rosin cakes up on the strings it can make the sound worse.  But from what I've seen if there was a little extra fresh rosin on reasonably clean strings, I haven't noticed a problem with that.  If rosin is allowed to build up over time, it quits being just a powder and kind of hardens into chunks and can make a sort of a coating that I think dampens the string.

I think I recall Pierre once mentioning that the main problem with too much rosin is it makes a mess.  While too little will make you sound worse.  I kind of doubt he lets it build up on the strings over time, though.  Maybe if we're lucky, he'll chime in on this topic.

 

"This young wine may have a lot of tannins now, but in 5 or 10 years it is going to be spectacular, despite the fact that right now it tastes like crude oil. You know this is how it is supposed to taste at this stage of development." ~ Itzhak Perlman

Avatar
RosinedUp
Honorary tenured advisor
Members

Regulars
November 10, 2013 - 9:12 am
Member Since: September 7, 2012
Forum Posts: 985
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

I've found that rosin can build up on the bow hairs just as it does on the strings.  I mean it can form a coating on individual hairs: http://fiddlerman.com/forum/pl.....en-bowing/

Avatar
LyleA
Little Rock, AR
Honorary advisor
Members

Regulars
November 10, 2013 - 11:10 am
Member Since: January 28, 2012
Forum Posts: 207
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

I found this video online and it has a good technique for cleaning your bow hairs.  His main reason however is because of an oily spot that won't take rosin, not a build up.

Never mind maneuvers, just go straight at them.

Avatar
Fiddlestix
Michigan, USA
King
Members

Regulars
November 10, 2013 - 12:38 pm
Member Since: January 21, 2012
Forum Posts: 2637
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

I've been cleaning my bow hairs for a long time using this method.  One thing I do that he doesn't, is, after the alcohol bath, I rinse / wash mine in a solution of shampoo and water to keep the hair's from drying out.

I do this with my wood bow's, fiberglass and carbon fiber bow.

In fact, I think this is the video I learned from.

 

Ken.

Forum Timezone: America/New_York

Most Users Ever Online: 231

Currently Online: Fiddlerman, BillyG
50 Guest(s)

Currently Browsing this Page:
1 Guest(s)

Members Birthdays
sp_BirthdayIcon
Today lakelivr
Upcoming HeadCheese, Mad_Wed, ButteryStuffs, harvestman, fiddlinmama, kit, makinnoise

Top Posters:

coolpinkone: 3755

Mad_Wed: 2849

Barry: 2661

Fiddlestix: 2637

Oliver: 2439

DanielB: 2379

Member Stats:

Guest Posters: 1

Members: 3554

Moderators: 0

Admins: 2

Forum Stats:

Groups: 16

Forums: 56

Topics: 6441

Posts: 80314

Newest Members:

Mukundan, MyMing, dbsimon, stirlingite771, mdedmon, coreshanethi

Administrators: Fiddlerman: 11701, KindaScratchy: 1651