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Tuning without a 'tuner'
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Ferret
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How do you tune a violin using only a A tuning folk?

Would be good to know how to :)

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March 30, 2014 - 8:39 pm
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You tune the D a fifth from the A then the G a fifth from the D then you go back up to the A and tune the E a fifth up . Perfect fifths are obvious to me but to those of you who don't hear it, the first interval in twinkle twinkle is a fifth.
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To expand on and extend what Pierre said:

First you tune the A string so that it matches your tuning fork, piano, pitch pipe, or similar.

Twinkle, Scarborough Fair, Drunken Sailor, and the Flintstones Theme all start out with a perfect fifth.  You hold the memory of the sound of that interval in your mind or even sing it or hum it aloud.  Then you tune the strings other than A so that adjacent strings produce that same interval (a perfect fifth).

After the strings are tuned approximately, you can bow adjacent strings simultaneously and listen for beats.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B.....stics%29  You tune one of the two strings until no beats can be heard.  Then the pitches of adjacent strings are in the ratio 3:2 (again, a perfect fifth).

The results of tuning with beats and tuning using an electronic tuner will differ a little.  Tuners are usually set up for the system of equal temperament.  In that case, two pitches of a fifth are in the ratio of the twelfth root of two raised to the power seven (approximately 1.4983071) rather than exactly 3/2.

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Tough task at first!

I was overwhelmed by doing it at start, i always doubted about what i hear and didn't trust my ears and questioned myself if i'm doing right or wrong. Checked myself all the time with on-line tuners, then a month passed and it became a usual stuff. I can't tell that i tune it perfectly, but my teacher is more than happy. I don't have "perfect pitch" so i still need an orienteer, but my ears remembr what is fifth now, LOL.

Practice, Ferret. Will and practice. =)

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Mad_Wed said
Tough task at first!

I was overwhelmed by doing it at start, i always doubted about what i hear and didn't trust my ears and questioned myself if i'm doing right or wrong. Checked myself all the time with on-line tuners, then a month passed and it became a usual stuff. I can't tell that i tune it perfectly, but my teacher is more than happy. I don't have "perfect pitch" so i still need an orienteer, but my ears remembr what is fifth now, LOL.

Practice, Ferret. Will and practice. =)

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@Fiddlerman @RosinedUp @Mad_Wed 

Thanks folks for the help.

Will give it a try. Can't hurt and it would be useful to be able to do :)

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Other than using songs that happen to contain a fifth interval, as some folks have already mentioned, you can sing a scale to find the notes of the strings.

You know, the old "Do re mi fa so la ti do" thing?  If you tune your A string to match the tuning fork, and sing "Do" to that note.. then sing your way up the scale, "Do re mi fa so.." and "so" will be the note for your E string.

Then you can sing down the scale from the A to get your D.. "Do ti la so fa.. "  and "fa" will be your D. 

Once you have those three, you can play the open "doublestop" of the A and E string to fine tune the E, if needed.  Then do the A and D.  Basically playing the two notes together and fine-tuning the one that isn't "A" a little (if necessary) so you don't hear a "beat" or "wobble" between the notes.

Then when you've got the D string tuned and fine tuned, you can sing down from the open D, "Do ti la so fa.." to get your G.

 

I don't know as there's any big advantage over using the first two notes of a song that conveniently has the right notes.. Other than finally having something that "Do re mi fa so la ti do" is useful for, if you had to learn it back in gradeschool. LOL

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@DanielB 

Thanks for that Dan. Great explanation of how it's done.

Will have to get a tuning fork from eBay. If I'm going to have a go at tuning the 'traditional' way, I might as wall get the right tool :)

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