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Okay... in the quest for the ever elusive Vibrato. I had an interesting conversation. If someone, say a teacher, put their arm sort of along, under and over and helped by cupping their hand around your fingers and pressing, showing the pressure and movement, would that help a person? OR is it something that the mind has to just connect and grab hold?

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yes!

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and to my surprise I still have most of it left!

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yes to both?

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lol

mine started to happen when my teacher got me moving to third position.

she made me do it faster and faster, and then without moving the thumb, and HEY PRESTO!

now I just need to keep practicing to refine the technique and relax a little more.

 

check out FM's "learning 3rd position video, and practice his drills. Then keep the thumb in first position and let the fingers try and go to 3rd. then just learn how to harness that finger movement into a vibrato. Da Daaaa!

 

I did spend ever night learning Denny's " doing it on a book" and Naska's "squish that bug!!" for 3 months first

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coolpinkone said
yes to both?

certainly, if your teacher is with you, you get immediate feedback, but I don't know if holding hands would be a solution, she IS quite nice though! lol

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Thanks Terry... I am barely mastering First position......but that is a thought..but don't I have to learn second position before third? ha ha.. well.... thanks I will do this one day...and after I learn how.. I will never leave the house.. ha ha ha. Whenever I want vibrato the most.. I am at work and the violin is at home... hummmmmm ... signed Vibratoless in Cali

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you can vibrate where ever you are even without a fiddle or violin to hold. The independent finger dexterity and movement can be practiced even without drawing attention to yourself. I vibrato listening to country music while driving and practicing not only finger posistions but the vibrato on my steering wheel. The "doing it on a book" and "squish that bug" exercises are also very helpfull. I only am devoting 5 min out of my practice sessions to it also. Fiddlermans demos rock! And also in regards to learning the fingering posistions. Besides FM demo vids, which I know you are a devotee like me. Try doing 1st finger shifting drills on each string. That is, using only your first finger, practice finding say on the E string for example, first finger is f, then slide (ghost) the first finger to the next note up g, then a, then b, then c, then d, then e again. Thats your octave on the E string. Then when you are good at that find all the sharps, F, G, A, C, D sharps in that scale. Then play all your major and minor scales using that one octave and first finger. In a year when you are good at that try first and second finger shifts, then another year later, first second and third finger shifts etc. Do that for all four strings and before you know it, badabing badaboom and Bobs your uncle you are a master. Easy right. "You can do it, encouragement"jimi-hendrix

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I was thinking of sitting on the washing machine while in spin cycle. Maybe that will help me with vibrato, it vibrates everything else.

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@ Kevin.. hey... good idea! @ PF thank you. I am going to use your suggestions to get my vibrato happening sooner or later and the tips on the finger shifts too. Great encouragment! Thanks... ready to give it the good ole college try again!!!!

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Hey CPO its muscle memmmory. You just got to keep doing it and doing it and doing it ... confused

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@ coolpinkone,

@ Kevin.. hey… good idea! @ PF thank you. I am going to use your suggestions to get my vibrator happening sooner or later and the tips on the finger shifts too. Great encouragment! Thanks… ready to give it the good ole college try again!!!!

 

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Oh my yes you did... Edited for clarity... Haha

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That is hilarious. If it helps, do it.

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but the one who needs the least."

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Glad we caught that one before it was too late...there could have been a lot of...well..you know! fainting-1344LOL!

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coolpinkone said:

@ Kevin.. hey… good idea! @ PF thank you. I am going to use your suggestions to get my vibrator happening sooner or later and the tips on the finger shifts too. Great encouragment! Thanks… ready to give it the good ole college try again!!!!

 

I didnt see anything wrong with it... use some duct tape and .... welll  duct tape the, aahhh, machineblurry_drunk-2127... to the neck of the violin... whatever works for ya.fainting-1344

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I haven't put any work towards practising vibrato at this point, but it creeps in sometimes.  I play guitar, where it's kind of a natural thing to do at some points, and also sometimes play with a bottleneck slide on guitar, which does vibrato with a very similar motion to what seems to be used on violin.  I don't consider myself very good at vibrato, either, since mine then to be rather narrow on the "wobble" and I have trouble doing them slow.  Never was good using at slow vibratos on guitar either, for that matter, so that's a habit that carries over. 

First time I ran across vibrato when playing (ok messing) with violin, I'd seen one of Jim's videos with some crazy slides in it.  I was tinkering on the violin while watching an old sci-fi movie and started playing with using slides to imitate the theremin sounds.  If you do some long slides even from first position to up about where the neck meets the body of the violin and back down, you'll get an idea how little pressure you actually need to use with your fingers to get notes. I just ended up doing some vibrato to imitate the theremin, I didn't know at that time it was anything that was supposed to be difficult or that anyone had trouble with.  So far as I know it is just like a very short slide up and down but without moving the finger enough to actually start to slide on the string. 

For practice, though, I really try to avoid vibrato or even slides unless a certain note just has to have them to be right.  Back when I'd been playing slide on guitar for a while, I ran into somebody that was actually good with one.  After kicking my butt in a jam session he told me I was being way too sloppy with it and overshooting my notes a lot and then dropping down below them and sliding up to "find" the notes.  He suggested I practice for a month or two with using the slide to try and hit the notes just exactly with no slide at all, until I could peg any note I meant to on the neck exactly and *then* work in the slid notes and etc.  It helped a lot.  But not wanting to repeat that 're-learning' on violin, right now I mostly focus on just getting the intonation dead on and keeping notes very pure and steady.  (Well, that's what I try to do, anyway.)  I'll used slides and sometimes vibrato when jamming against backing tracks or just messing around, but not during the "work" parts of practice.  At least for me, I figure there is time for it later, when I am sure I can get all the notes exactly right in the first place.  LOL

For what it may be worth, I find it easier to do on electric, since my electric weighs a bit more than my acoustic and balances different. On the acoustic, I have to really watch to make sure my finger and thumb pressure are very light or I end up just shaking the whole instrument.  LOL  Also I have to use a little chin pressure to keep the instrument steady, same as when shifting back down the neck after playing some notes in a higher position. 

Don't know if any of that may help you, but here's hoping..

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Vibrato on violin is much different than on a guitar. The guitar is resting on your knee or hanging from a strap around your neck and shoulder's. Your left hand is free to do whatever.

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Daniel... Stellar thoughts as always.. thank you.

 

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Kevin M. said
I was thinking of sitting on the washing machine while in spin cycle. Maybe that will help me with vibrato, it vibrates everything else.

LOL! roflolDon't forget it when You'll perform on stage.. and 2 bulk guys to carry it around =)

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