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Oliver
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April 21, 2011 - 8:43 pm
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I was watching the vibrato video but not for vibrato reasons.

I noticed that your left elbow was very much to the right and basically stationary.  Your left hand and fingers did most of the traveling between lowest and highest strings and the elbow was almost passive.  Is that a correct observation for your playing or just something particular to the vibrato video ?

Also, it almost appeared that your upper left arm was in contact with your body when playing above 2nd position.  Is that so ?

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Fiddlerman
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April 21, 2011 - 11:34 pm
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Just out of curiosity, which vibrato video, arm or wrist and hand?

Your arm should come over to the right more when playing on the G to bring the fingers closer to the strings. Having your arm more over to the right also makes it easier to climb around the neck in the high positions. Also gives a better sense of weight balance.

Not moving your arm too much can be beneficial when playing fast and jumping from high to low notes quickly. You could imagine how much extra energy and movement is required. Always make minimal movements with as little tension as possible. Moving to the music is another subject. It can be done as long as it doesn't affect the sound negatively.

I don't think that my arm is really in contact with my body though close to my arm pits there is contact. The angle in my videos might be deceiving and maybe better done from the side. Your shoulder joint does not need to move much at all.

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I was watching arm vibrato.

The more usual YouTube video will show the left elbow more vertical directly under the violin but I do not see that as being more correct in some way.

In fact, I like your more extreme positioning because it encourages hand-over-strings, something I often mess up.  ( i.e. caught out of position ).

If you watch the video in this context I think you slightly roll the "lazy" elbow only one time.

Anyhow, I did a few tunes with the extreme position and did notice some advantages ( dance tempo, Irish 6/8 ).

The video I would like to see is quarter notes back and forth between A on G string and F on E string Surprised

 

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Fiddlerman
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April 22, 2011 - 11:02 pm
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You mean while skipping the D string?  Which F are you referring too? The first finger or an octave higher.

Are you wondering about the arm position while playing on the E string? What concerns me about having the arm out to the left of the body is the problem with climbing on the E string. Sooner or later you have to come around the instrument. It is more fluent if you keep your arm more under at all times rather than adjusting for each and every note.

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Well, I think I answered my own question by watching your video and trying my own experiments here.  ( P.S. I scrutinize everything "violin" out of habit being I do not have a teacher.  But I'm not a critic, only a spy Laugh  This is the price you pay for being famous and in the public eye !)

Anyhow, I can see that I am often using my elbow when I should/could be moving around with fingers and a more flexible wrist.  My trials here show that this makes a BIG difference in the speed of playing. 

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Fiddlerman
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April 23, 2011 - 10:16 pm
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Very happy to hear this. I don't mind scrutiny at all. l love your posts 🙂

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There's more to report.  I spent a good part of yesterday experimenting with various pieces of music using your more "aggressive" style.  Now, all of that is second nature to you after a long time of perfecting your technique.  However, for beginners like me, even minor modifications can make a big difference and that is what happened.  My left hand performance has reached the "next level" although this is requiring extra concentration until I get used to it.

Basically I'm just positioning the left elbow more to the right (1") and I'm letting  my wrist and "fingers do the walking".  This is actually a big economy in time and motion.

What impresses me the most is how small adjustments can have so much effect on comfort level and technical skills. 

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Fiddlerman
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April 24, 2011 - 10:33 pm
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Very happy to hear 🙂 especially the "next level" part.

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The playing on the left side of the finger helped me in particular.

Thanks fiddlerman.

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