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DanielB
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When you pluck notes by pulling the fingers off the string to make a plucked sound while still bowing.  I figure there must be a name/term for it.

 

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Hi Daniel
I've been watching your post and to my surprise, there have been no answers.

I think that you have them 'all' stumped on that one mate.

Myself, I'm new to music and couldn't offer anything other than to say that it sounded rather Middle Eastern. Perhaps worth 'Googling'. hats_off

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Yeah, I've been kind of surprised as well, Ferret.  I'm pretty sure that if one isn't bowing at the same time, it would just be left hand pizzicato.  But since it can be done while bowing the string, and the sound could be musically useful, I figured there must be a name for it.

I do use it sometimes when I want more umm.. again I don't know the term in violin music, so I'll just say when I want a transition in a slur to be annunciated more deliberately.  Like when playing a vocal melody where the lyrics at some point contain a "plosive" like a "P" and it just doesn't feel right to smooth it over, for example.  Or when one wants certain notes in a run that maybe is instrumental and not based on lyrics/vocals where one wants certain notes in a slur or flurry to "pop" just a little more than others for emphasis.

I just got to wondering about it when I was having a discussion with Vibavi in the chat about different ways a note/pitch can be sounded, and it occurred to me that I didn't know what this would be called.

 

 

 

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No replies yet?

 

The only thing I could find is it is still a Pizzicato, but called a Combination Pizz. I have a webcast of an online teacher (for kids) talking all about pizzicato. I don't feel comfortable posting its website here unless FM has no problems. MY guess is when he gets going today, he'll answer it in 2 seconds.

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I'll be interested to hear the answer, too. I do this by mistake sometimes when I'm practicing pull-offs. Didn't know it was actually a technique.

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@DanielB: this is what I think (of course, I've had less time than most of you in learning violin so it's just a guess, mostly), it's a part of a roll in Irish/Scottish/Celtic music playing style, 3-note half roll or 5-note full roll.

While in a trill finger is in up and down motions which two pitches are clearly heard. In a roll finger is swipe (almost like plucking on string at a note/pitch position) while bowing on the string and keeping the plucking sound very soft (or almost silence).

LOL, I tried.

 

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@KindaScratchy: One of my music profs always said that any sound you can get on an instrument that (at least with practice) could be gotten reliably and intentionally can be used in music and as such isn't a mistake.  Well, unless you didn't mean to use it right there, in which case it was an experiment or improvisation.  The same prof also said something like "There are no mistakes in Jazz.  Only brilliant improvisation that was maybe just too cool for the audience to appreciate."  LOL

But almost always, nearly any sound one can get has already been found and used and has a name, at least in some ethnic or otherwise specialized style of playing.  If you can use it intentionally, then I'd usually call it a technique in any case. 

 

@Tyberius: Well, combination pizz works as a name for it, if there isn't anything more "formal" out there.  Who knows, i may be wrong in assuming that violin is an instrument where so much development has gone into techniques that even sneezing while playing probably has a "proper" name or abbreviation that can be used in score, LOL

 

@ratvn: Cool that it may use at least some similar parts of technique, since the rolls used in Celtic style playing as ornamentation are one of the things that are on my list to learn how to do. LOL

 

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Sorry guys. I must have missed this. It's called left-hand pizzicato.exactly

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Daniel, you might be right. According to one of the forgotten FM video's its called "Left hand underhooked vibrasticcpizz with a slurring sneeze. Now, if you can put that to fiddle notation we might be able to replicate it in a few months.

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