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Why do orchestral members hate collegues that practice their own stuff during breaks?
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lenasv.
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February 11, 2011 - 4:54 am
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 As a follow up to the discussion thread on "Orchestral Rule Book", I would like to extend the discussion on why it is a tabu to practice your own solo/chamber stuff during the breaks of the orchestral rehearsal. (Not breaks in music, but breaks in practice.)

I claim that annoyment in others only breaks in if the three following conditions are satisfied:

 

(a) The one who practices plays an instrument from the same group of instruments as the listener. (The listener can later also transfer irritation to other instrumental groups by talking about it.)

(b) The listener only (mainly) is doing orchestral music.

(c) The one who practices is not recognized as the greatest music genius, but is clearly a bit better than the listener, but still in what the listener perceives as an "achievable" way.

 (d) The listener is competitive about his orchestral music.

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Fiddlerman
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February 11, 2011 - 3:40 pm
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Well, personally I don't mind either way. They can play anything they want as far as I am concerned. Many times musicians have come to me and commented about the others that are practicing their solo stuff loudly, very negatively. For example they could say, "Man, that guy is real nice but he sure is irritating, why can't he take a break so that we can all relax" or "I really need to rest my ears, isn't that one of the reasons that we have breaks?"

I've even heard people say,"He spends all his time working on concertos while he can't even play his orchestra part."

No matter what you hear, it all boils down to the same thing. Some colleagues are going to be irritated if you play concertos and loud solo stuff in the breaks, and that is why it is in the rule book. When I was younger I used to do it but must admit that I was trying to show off. I know I pissed a lot of people off that way. I was even asked to put my mute on when practicing.Embarassed

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lenasv.
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February 11, 2011 - 6:34 pm
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Pierre: that is really sad that this is the case, but I don't consider it being your fault! (You would not have made me pissed off if you played in front of me; I love when others practice.)

What I do think, is that many musicians in that play in orchestra were not dreaming of it initially, and simply end up there, so I would guess that many orchestras are filled with hurt egos of soloists. Some probably hate it, some like it for the group feeling, and a few do really love it. For somebody for who this is obligatory, they will do as little as they can (without getting kicked out), and practice their own parts as little as possible and use any tiny free minute to do what they love– their solos. Imagine, I myself hate orchestral playing, but in order to perform on the chamber music concerts of the university, i am forced into playing form time to time with the university orchestra.

I once or twice experienced two girls jumping on me for rehearsing my stuff during the break (in quite empty halls, because most people went to more cosy rooms), and they came with the argument about resting ears. (In neither way, the rehearsal had lasted more than some 45 minutes. And that was the only rehearsal for two weeks…) At that moment, I searched the whole building for a practice space. But actually, for them it would have been much, much easier to find a space to talk in, than for me to find a space to play in. If it is really the ears, and not a principle, they would by self-protection move away. What I do think, is that people find many excuses in order to criticize somebody who goes against the flow. It is in our human nature. One can always find a corner where to relax from irritating sounds, otherwise…

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February 11, 2011 - 6:59 pm
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I think that you are right in many ways Lena. Lot's of people would rather criticize than accept and encourage. I believe that it is greatly due to the fact that many musicians are insecure. Fortunately in the Swedish orchestras, there are always great break-rooms for the musicians to get their peace and quiet.  I for one, love playing in orchestras. The only thing I don't like is when musicians are not enjoying themselves, which is unfortunately very often the case. You will hopefully change your feelings about playing in orchestras someday.

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