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swish_and_flick
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Thanks for the welcome! I'm in Taiwan trying to improve my Mandarin, but I needed a bit of a break from the language and still find an awesome way to communicate. I figured since music is sort of an international language, I thought I'd get started. 🙂 

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To get softer notes, use less pressure and/or lower bow speed. Louder notes, the opposite - more speed and/or more pressure. Tilting the bow so that there's less hair in contact with it reduces pressure, as well as putting less pressure on to begin with. You can also exert negative pressure (on the string) with your pinky.

There's a complication to that, though. Which soundpoint you use (where on the string the bow hair contacts the string) makes a big difference in how fast or slow, and how light or heavy you can play.

The closer to the bridge you get, the more you want to use more pressure and slower speed.  As you move out towards the fingerboard, the speed goes up, and the pressure goes down.

By convention, there are 5 soundpoints in that gap, each about the width of the bow hair. #1 is the one closest to the bridge, #5 is the one just short of the fingerboard. You can, of course, play anywhere on the string, but to make it easy to talk about, that's the convention that's used.

#1 high pressure, slow speed

#2 medium high pressure, medium speed

#3 medium pressure, medium speed

#4 light pressure (frequently just the weight of the bow), medium high speed

#5 very light pressure (you may have to use some negative pressure to make it light enough), high speed.

 

#3 and #4 (or somewhere between them) are the easy ones for most people. Exactly where in there you choose to play depends on what is most natural for you. If you're a bit heavy-handed, you'll probably want to move towards the bridge. If you naturally have a light touch, and speed comes easy, you'll move more towards the fingerboard.

For each soundpoint, there's a minimum pressure and a minimum speed that you can play at and still get a clean note. There's also a maximum pressure and speed. Pressure and speed interact with each other, so the minimum pressure may require something faster than the minimum speed and vice versa. (And the same for the maximums, of course.)

I'd suggest picking a soundpoint (just observe where you play now when the notes are sounding good), and start experimenting with more and less pressure, and more and less speed, until you find out where the "edges" are (for that soundpoint). If you're playing with as little pressure and the slowest speed that soundpoint can handle (and still give good notes), that's your ultimate "soft" sound (for that soundpoint). Same reasoning with the maximums.

It's good to be able to recognize when things don't work.  Use the first position (about a bow's width from the bridge, with the bow tilted a bit so most of the pressure is on the far side of the bow hair, and right next to the frog), and pull the bow very slowly, with a lot of pressure.  You should hear a fairly low pitched sound that I describe as crunching.

Now move the bow back and forth across that same point, with no more pressure than the bow weight. Use from the middle of the bow to the tip. Move the bow as fast as you can while still having good control. You should hear a high-pitched whistling sound.

The crunch means you need more speed or less pressure (or both). The whistle means you need less speed, or more pressure, or both. There's one last gotcha. If you dig in hard out around soundpoints 4 and 5, you'll hear the pitch go down. You're stretching the string so much it's gotten a little longer. That's too much pressure, whether you hear a crunch or not. If you want to use that much pressure, you're going to have to move your soundpoint back towards the bridge.

 

Now, remembering all this stuff when you're actually playing a song is your problem. 🙂

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Haha, thanks for the pointers. 🙂 Yes, in theory, I understand what results in stronger/softer tones and practice it when I can, but for now, I'm content with achieving solid notes (as opposed to scratching/bow bouncing/donkey brays/cat howls). People in my apartment complex are hating me less and less. violin-1267

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Well, progress when learning to play a violin can be compared to building a house. You need to start with the foundation and make sure that is well built, stable and strong. You can't expect to work on the finishings before the rest of the house is built and that takes time. The more you work on it the faster it will rise but if you rush it you could make mistakes. 🙂

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Hi, I am Ken and am from Miramichi, New Brunswick, Canada, I am 62 years old and have been learning to play the fiddle for a couple months, I have been using videos and sheet music from this site to help me and they are amazing, learning something everyday, I have been playing guitar for a few years and this year at my Father In Laws funeral, a local fiddle group The Miramichi  Fiddlers played a few songs during the funeral and then after the service they played during the reception, even the priest brought out his fiddle and played, my father in law was a local musician that was inducted in the New Brunswick Country Music Hall Of Fame for his harmonica playing, anyways the music sounded so amazing during the service and reception and I enjoyed it so much that I made up my mind to learn to play the fiddle, I have always enjoyed fiddle and violin music but whatever happened that day I don't know but I enjoy fiddle and violin music now more then ever, and am loving learning how to play even more.

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Ken, welcome to the forum. That is a really nice story about the fiddlers playing at the funeral and reception, a real reason to pick up the fiddle and learn.  I'm 69 and actually started taking lessons at 49 for a couple of years. But life got in the way for 20 years while working and trying to build our new house. 

Now I've retired so I'm making time to get back to learning the violin. I tend to play classical, but since joining this forum have found a lot of fiddle music I'd like to play.

Let us hear from you and if you can post a video in the "critique" forum. Folks here are very gentle with us beginners.

Bob

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Thanks,recording my playing would be a great help as I know I do need advice and help with my playing, I just have to get something to record both video and audio, thanks for the excellent advice Bob.

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Ken,

Welcome to the Forum, have fun with learning the fiddle.

Mark

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We are super happy to have you here Mac. Loved your story about the Miramichi fiddlers and priest playing the fiddle at the funeral.
I think hearing great players, or players that are just having fun, is the best motivation to learn or improve playing.
Looking forward to your posts. 🙂
Welcome to the forum.

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Thank you Mark, I am having a great time,playing a few beginner songs, going over some first position scales, intervals ,and trying to keep my bowing straight, that's mainly what I am working on now along with proper finger placement etc.., there is so many little things, but I really enjoy learning to play the fiddle!

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Thank you Fiddlerman for the great welcome, I am going to try to record my playing, I know its not that good, but I need advice as I am learning on my own, I have to get a tripod and try out my little Cannon SX600 pocket camera to record a video, I have to get a tripod first as I don't have one, then I will try it out to see how it works, hopefully soon!

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Mac said
Thank you Fiddlerman for the great welcome, I am going to try to record my playing, I know its not that good, but I need advice as I am learning on my own, I have to get a tripod and try out my little Cannon SX600 pocket camera to record a video, I have to get a tripod first as I don't have one, then I will try it out to see how it works, hopefully soon!  

The idea is not to show how great or talented you are, rather to make progress. That is what it's all about. We love when members post videos. Everyone can learn from it.

I'm sure if and when you do post, it will be fine. 🙂

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Thanks,I am going to try and post a video soon, and am looking forward to the constructive comments to help me with my fiddle playing!

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Sounds like a great plan!!!

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