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Advice needed on sore right forearm/wrist
I started playing with a much more loose wrist, and it kinda backfires :)
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Lajer
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September 4, 2013 - 5:30 am
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Hi guys

 

Recently I started playing with a much more loose wrist. I'm trying to relax, but I must be holding the bow too tight or using my muscles to bend the wrist instead of relaxing and letting it do the work itself. After a practise session I need to have some days break, because I'm very tendse and sore in my forearm.

 

So I have two questions:

1. How do I treat this soreness? cold? heat? Wrap it up? leave it? It takes like 5 days to get better, and I can't not play for that long.

2. I obviously need to experiment with a more loose grip or maybe I need to focus on not using my wrist muscles - do any of you have any experience with this problem, and what did you do wrong?

 

Thanks guys :)

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As for Medical advice I can't help.

 

On playing, while I am bowing if I hit anything with my bow arm or bow  I drop my bow. I hold it that gently. Also spread the weight of you bow over your whole hand. Not just 2 -3 fingers. You should feel some if only a little resistance in your pinky!(little finger in case there is a translation issue) More pinky weight up bow than down bow.

 

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I just tried Australian Dream on my arthritic bow thumb, seems to helpthumbs-up

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I'd like to see a video of your bow holding and playing if possible.

I play about a total of 2-3 hrs a day usually and have really never had a sore right wrist or forearm.

I find your issues to be very interesting.

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@screeeech Thanks for the advice, I'll mess a bit around with it.

 

@cdennyb I'll make a movie tomorrow(friday) with a few scales... I usually do some scales warmup excercises with long bowstrokes, I could record that... :)

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You bring up a good point. Using the wrist too much is not good. I know that there are many players that use a lot of wrist but keeping the wrist kind of straight is preferred for strength. I rather bend my wrist up than down for drawing the bow down. It gives a better smoother pull on bow changes. It's not so much that you should not use wrist movements but more that you shouldn't bend it down too much and not use excessive movements.
Obviously it's good to have a certain degree of relaxation in your wrist but at the same time, a little firmness for power.
Finger flexibility is great IMAO. I have a few videos in which I demonstrate the type of finger flexibility that I think is super beneficial.

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Thanks again guys for the help and thanks for the vids fiddlerman :)

I made a new topic under critique corner - I'm showing off my new strings and I'm showing how I'm bowing with my right arm!

 

Here is the link @cdennyb : http://fiddlerman.com/forum/cr.....ew/#p49124

 

Again - thanks guys :) !

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After seeing your video and re-reading this thread I realize that the problem is derived from tensing your wrist when playing at the upper part of the bow. The easiest way to alleviate this is to experiment with the angle of the violin so that you don't have to reach so hard at the tip of the bow. It might benefit you to do soft gentle stretches before and after practice. It would be a more controlled way to stretch and loosen your Extensor carpi radialis longus muscle (I really have no idea which muscle, tendon you actually need to stretch).

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I don't know how long you have been playing but sometimes there are some aches and pains associated with playing the violin that come from using various muscles in ways that you have never used them before.  I used to get pains in my left hand and wrist when I started playing regularly. In my case it was due to too tight a grip on the neck of the instrument. Once I relaxed my hold not only did the pain go away but it suddenly got easier to shift between positions. When I was holding too tight I would practically pull the violin off my shoulder if I shifted quickly from lets say 3rd or 4th position down to 1st position. But with the relaxed grip the shifts became much smoother and more fluid. Also I find warmup exercises and playing a few short warmup pieces prior to practice, rehearsal or a concert helps immensely. Not only gets me loosened up but makes me less prone to getting aches and discomfort when playing long pieces.

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