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Any experience in the "Arabian/Persian" Styles?
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Mishka_Gibb
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As a Palestinian, it's always been my dream to be able to recreate the sounds and images of the region at large.  I primarily wanted to learn in this style, but finding a teacher of the music of Arabians has been quite a difficult feat in America.  If anyone has any experience in this style, are there different fingerings/positioning because of the much heavier usage of quarter/semitones?  If anyone has experience in this style, would you happen to have any examples of the "Old Joe Clark" but in this style?  I have been trained strictly in the western style of music (relative to composition, to violin I am a complete novice), and it seems a teacher is somewhat of a unicorn over here.

-Mikhayiyl

 

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P.S.- Debussy and his Arabesques don't count =P

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@Mishka_Gibb Cool video, I like the style! Now you have me searching youtube for similar songs that I could take a stab at, looking for that sound but really simple. Keep looking for that teacher, I am sure there are some on this side of the ocean.

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My grandfather would always play his cassettes when I was a child, and I thought it was the most beautiful, hypnotizing music.... so far I've got 

 

1) Tuning- Common tuning is more GCGD as opposed to GDAE

2) Managed to find this " Unlike Western art music which uses twelve intervals to divide the octave, modern Arabic music theory divides the octave into twenty-four equivalent intervals (quarter-tones are used to achieve this scale). When Western notation is used to notate these quarter tones, a flat symbol with a slash through it is usually used for half-flats, and a sharp with only one vertical line is used for half-sharps. Some Arabic musicians use the 24 note scale as a point of reference, and assert some notes deviate even further from this scale by the slight interval of "a comma" (kuma). They use terminology such as the note should be played "a little high" or "a little low" to express how the note should be slightly lowered or raised from the note's standard position."

I managed to find a chart of some of the basic maqam (arabic modes).... it seems the development of arabic music came from early Greek influence, with a pinch of Turkish flare =).

 

..... Oh god, I thought I wasn't going to be playing with modified tunings until I was at least 2-3 years in =P

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I don't have experience but I liked the video. 🙂
Thanks for the post Mikhayiyl.

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download.pngImage Enlarger Found this guy, may be of use.

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Nice scales. Common and uncommon jazz scales in a way.

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Very interesting. Thanks for the links Uzi.

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Mishka_Gibb said
 If anyone has experience in this style, would you happen to have any examples of the "Old Joe Clark" but in this style? 

-Mikhayiyl

 

I liked the colour of her violin, didn't like the violin player's eyes, they were kind of "sleepy" for my taste.

"Old Joe Clark is a US folk song, a mountain ballad.........Old Joe Clark has been described as "one of the most widely known of all Southern fiddle tunes [as of the late 20th century.] Ιt has to a degree become part of the national repertory. One may hear it in bluegrass jam sessions, old-time fiddle sessions, and country dances throughout the United States." The tune is in the Mixolydian mode. Wikipedia.

The arabic music style isn't my music preference, it's difficult for me to listen to that music for more than 10-15 minutes.
Most important is that american folk-traditional music has it's great value and an experiment to combine "Old Joe Clark" or any other traditional american song with arabic music is definitely not a good idea in my opinion.

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Allow me to clarify....

 

I wasn't actually looking for Old Joe Clark played in the arabian style, I was looking for a piece in the arabic community that has the same status that Old Joe Clark has in the Folk community.... a piece that is standard repertoire, that can be played by beginners, but can also entertain countless variations.... I.E. a piece I can learn as a beginner, and that can "grow" with me as my skill and understanding of the instrument grow.

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