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Conversations with a soundcoach: Improvisation
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Daniel
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I talked with a friend yesterday concerning how to prepare scores for band type music, and he told me a few things,
1. Treat the violin as a voice. What does a 2nd voice do?
2. Avoid hitting the melody when doing harmony.
 
Here is also an excerpt from our chat: 
 
Me: Is there any way to start working with a song scientifically?
 
Google....the 5 basic notes of modern melodies(He's talking about the pentatonic scale)

simple enough, I realized I played these notes when improvising, but didn't realize it
thanks for the reminder, I forgot these a long time ago 

stick to those notes and you can't go wrong...then try playing OFF of them.
Me:
okay. What do you suggest when all I have is a chordsheet? Is there some information I can get from the chordsheet+lyrics

you will usually play tonic scale or the 5th of the key that the song is played in
but try to diminish the 3rd, 5th and 7th in the scale to see what effects you can get
Me:
so for example C, I''ll be playing in A, and pentatonic for the riffs/improvs . Edim, Adim and Cdim for effects. Should I use arpeggios for the chord parts?

not necessary. When I play slide guitar, I use mainly single noted or 4ths
Me: (lol)
Okay, I can't wait to finish baking and try it out
Cake's still in the oven

go to youtube and listen to some dixieland while you are waiting for your cake
It will blow you away

Do you have certain artists in mind?

some of Louis Armstrong non comercial tunes might be kindergarden for you

I see what you mean by the 5th
I didn't realize that playing in a different key would sound good for 2nd voicing

very basic idea on harmonica
(5mins later...)
I just heard it. Some trills and echoes, right?

you'll get a better idea with this one
I gotta go work..Good luck
 
 
Any comments guys? 
 
Major Pentatonic Scale
1 2 3 5 6 1(or 8)
Minor Pentatonic Scale
1 b3 4 5 b7 1(or 8)

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Comments ... ahhh ... ????    dazed

I have to admit I'm lost within the music theory realm, I wonder if someone will start me off?

Pentatonic scale?

Diminish = flatten?

Think it's time to get the books out again.

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Well, I put a pentatonic scale translation at the bottom, the numbers correspond to a major scale, for example, major: 1,2,3,5,6,1(8) would translate to C,D,E,G,A,C(upper c) on the C scale.

Diminished refers to chords, meaning, flatten the 3rd of the chord.
Eg: C chord= C E G, Cdim= C Eb G.

and 3rd means C(1st),D(2nd),E(3rd)....B(7th),C(8th/1st).

And a Tonic means the 5th note in a scale. In a C scale that is an A.

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Your conversation seems to be be truncated on the right hand margin.  Is there something to do here to correct this ?  Or, is it only my view that is messed up?

 

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yea, I never did finish my theory book, really need to work on this, my project for the summer!

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Thanks for the explanation Daniel, I still have to get my head around it.

Thanks for the incentive to look into the theory further.

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I just finished a session with our worship team leader where we made an arrangement for the song "God of All Ages - Arize" but it looks like a random bunch of letters and notation only I can understand. I have to make it a score and then we can see how the advice of my soundcoach applied 🙂

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