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Mad_Wed
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CELTIC REQUIEM

I've found that music on youtube and immedeately wanted to play it. But when i started to play, find out that right notes moved down the fingerboard duncecap .. Checked violin's tuning 443, retuned it to 440 – still too high.. Checked with synthesizer …- it was too high as well yell. That was a challenge for my ears but i tuned the synthesizer down to 40% of half-tone – and it worked for me surprised.. Who has good ears, please HELP! Do i have hearing troubles or it's REALLY lower?

 

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I don't have a violin in hand but I just listened to that song and sounds like B minor. Some low tones for sure though.

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I listened to the video and tried to play it. Got off track but lead into some pretty eerie  improve of my own. That is what I love about this instrument.

Thanks for posting it Mad.   cool

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Depends on what part you want to play. You should be able to play all the singing parts as the lowest note that is sung is a middle C unless I missed something. There seems to be more than just the violin harmonizing in the background (a viola and cello perhaps?). 

 

Very beautiful and haunting piece by the way. Thanks for sharing.

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Wow, guys! Thank You for the feedback!birthday_balloon

And i have a question for those who tried to play it: was you'r 3rd finger on #G as low on the string as mine, while you tried to play that piece (somewhere between G and #G)? Or i'm -> duncecap

 I think, notes for this song are #G C B G / #G C D G / #D D B C / #G G C C/ if i'm mistaken and you noticed - please, tell me!!

I mean just how can it be? A = 440Hz, or 443Hz... But how it can be 40% of half-tone lower? Or it happens?

 

Thank You!

 

P.S. If i'm annoying - just ignore wink

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I got A♭ C B G / A♭ C D G / E♭ D B C / A♭ G C - / ... so your notes seem to be correct. As I don't have a violin with me I can't really test it out, but I don't think you should need to make any significant adjustments to the way you play A♭ (G#). Maybe someone with their violin at hand can answer.

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In "Meantone" temperment the notes are not the same but "Enharmonically" they are. IOW, don't worry about it. Just play what sounds right to your ear. The truth is that G# is 41 cents lower.

However, this wiki explanation is much clearer.

roflol

In 1/4 comma meantone, on the other hand, consider G♯ and A♭. Call middle C's frequency ‪x‬. Then high C has a frequency of ‪2x‬. The 1/4 comma meantone has just (i.e., perfectly tuned) major thirds, which means major thirds with a frequency ratio of exactly 4 to 5.
In order to form a just major third with the C above it, A♭ and high C need to be in the ratio 4 to 5, so A♭ needs to have the frequency

8x/5 = 1.6x.

In order to form a just major third above E, however, G♯ needs to form the ratio 5 to 4 with E, which, in turn, needs to form the ratio 5 to 4 with C. Thus the frequency of G♯ is

(5/4)² x = (25/16) x = 1.5625 x

Thus, G♯ and A♭ are not the same note; G♯ is, in fact 41 cents lower in pitch (41% of a semitone, not quite a quarter of a tone). The difference is the interval called the enharmonic diesis, or a frequency ratio of 128/125 . On a piano tuned in equal temperament, both G♯ and A♭ are played by striking the same key, so both have a frequency 2 8/12x = 2 2/3 ≈ 1.5874x
Such small differences in pitch can escape notice when presented as melodic intervals. However, when they are sounded as chords, the difference between meantone intonation and equal-tempered intonation can be quite noticeable, even to untrained ears.

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Wow, thanks that really clears it up! I dont know why I didnt think of that.  roflol

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It's cool to know the "science" behind it haha... Although I don't consciously notice the difference, I find that I prefer to play G# with my 3rd finger and Ab with my 4th... Or perhaps I'm just used to striking Gs with my 3rd and As with my 4th roflol

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Fiddlerman said:

In "Meantone" temperment the notes are not the same but "Enharmonically" they are. IOW, don't worry about it. Just play what sounds right to your ear. The truth is that G# is 41 cents lower......................

Thank You! That was interesting. With all that information (and some otherduncecap) i made some calculations and found out that: 

if i had to tune my synthesizer 40% down to play along with this piece, then it means that they tuned their instruments down to A= ~ 430.879Hz. so it means that G# as well became lowerdrooling But this all makes sense if this tune is REALLY lower then useful A=440

Then i have to ask: Is there anyone who tunes their instruments to A= ~ 431Hz?

 

P.S. roflol That was a very simple question for those who has good ears: low or normal rofl(A=431 or A=440)devil-violin   if i had good ears i shouldn't have to ask you guys, really, i'm sorry for bothering you so much.. embarassed

Thank You!birthday_balloonbirthday_balloon

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If I was going to play with this recording or these people I would tune down to whatever it takes to play with them. It happens. I didn't check but it is lower than 440, that is for sure.

My ears tell me that you are pretty close with 430 or so. exactly

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Fuoof!!!! Thank You again, FiddlerMan! That was an answer!! So i kmow now that things like that happen and my poor brain does not explode any more dancing 

But i have

a question to m.k. now : You defined notes without an instrument and You were not confused by the fact that they are low! How did you do that? Do You define them by comparing to each other?duncecap 

I didn't care about questions like that while played on guitar or synthesizer rofl drooling

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I found the notes by ear, but I could not tell that the A♭ was lower than "normal." That's why I told you to ask someone with their violin haha. cheers

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OMG!! That why i so wonder about you guys, who can hear NOTES! That's amazing!! Hope someday i will be able do that too.. birthday_balloonbirthday_balloonbirthday_balloon 

Thank You, m.k. That explanes a lot! party

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