FORUM

Please have a look at our Forum Rules. Lets keep this forum an enjoyable place to visit.

A A A
Avatar

Please consider registering
guest

sp_LogInOut Log In sp_Registration Register

Register | Lost password?
Advanced Search

— Forum Scope —






— Match —





— Forum Options —





Minimum search word length is 3 characters - maximum search word length is 84 characters

No permission to create posts
sp_Feed Topic RSS sp_TopicIcon
Help with symbols on the sheet
Topic Rating: 4.2 Topic Rating: 4.2 Topic Rating: 4.2 Topic Rating: 4.2 Topic Rating: 4.2 Topic Rating: 4.2 (10 votes) 
Avatar
Freq
Advanced member
Members
April 6, 2013 - 4:11 am
Member Since: April 1, 2013
Forum Posts: 88
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Screenshot_2013-04-06-09-40-16.jpgImage Enlarger

Hi again guys:) This is something that i'm really not good at. I hope that I can make use of your expertice. I understand the notes and know their names. I also understand # an b. But The signs i marked on this picture are the ones I don't understand.  

 

Red: I understand these have something to do with up/down stroke on the bow. But I dont't know which is which.

 

Green: Does this meen that the notes should be played in one stroke on the bow?

 

Blue: I know that these notes must be played faster, but what is the system here?

 

Pink: I have no clue about what this is..

 

Yellow. The rest I dont't understand is marked with yellow.

 

The way I managed to play new pieces till now is to go on youtube, find the piece and listen to it so that I know how it should be played. I appreciate all the help I can get:)

Practice don't make perfect, practice makes permanent.

Avatar
Picklefish
Merritt Island, Fla
Pro advisor
Members

Regulars
April 6, 2013 - 7:22 am
Member Since: June 25, 2012
Forum Posts: 1281
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Frequenzy said
Screenshot_2013-04-06-09-40-16.jpgImage Enlarger

Red: I understand these have something to do with up/down stroke on the bow. But I dont't know which is which.

The staple looking thing is a recommended down bow, the V is a recommended up bow.

 

Green: Does this meen that the notes should be played in one stroke on the bow?

yes, this is going to be very similar to a short trill.

 

Blue: I know that these notes must be played faster, but what is the system here

https://www.youtube.com/feed/UCA6qUS8ztBkOe9PUhEV_-fg   This guy is fantastic and if you scroll down to the bottom of the page you will see his link to Book1 and Book2 videos. This song you have is in book 2 and he jams it. Good luck keeping up with his pace though!
 

Pink: I have no clue about what this is..

 that is called a triplet, the three notes occupy the same amount of time as two regular ones would.

Yellow. The rest I dont't understand is marked with yellow.

 2/4 is the time signature, the piece expects two quarternote beats worth of  counting per measure, 4 eighthnotes take the same time to play as two quarternotes would.  // is a breathmark (something I remember from my trombone days in highschool), the newer book uses a apostrophe, its a break in your playing. The other thing is a 16th note rest, if you notice the measure has 3 8th notes and a 16th note so mathmatically its short a 16th note worth of time, they put a rest in there to make you pause for effect, but its so short.

The way I managed to play new pieces till now is to go on youtube, find the piece and listen to it so that I know how it should be played. I appreciate all the help I can get:)

No problem, any time just holler!

"Please play some wrong notes, so that we know that you are human" - said to Jascha Heifetz.

Avatar
RosinedUp
Honorary tenured advisor
Members

Regulars
April 6, 2013 - 7:44 am
Member Since: September 7, 2012
Forum Posts: 985
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
Avatar
Fiddlerman
Fort Lauderdale
April 6, 2013 - 8:07 am
Member Since: September 26, 2010
Forum Posts: 11694

Thanks Robert,

More specifically with the 2/4 time signature, or any other for that matter.
The number below gives you the value of the beat (4 = quarter-note gets one beat) where as the above number gives you how many beats will be in every measure unless there is a time signature change. In this case the 2 indicates 2 beats per measure.
A 4/2 for example would signify that there are 4 beats in every measure while the 2 = half note, gets one beat. I wrote the beat with the orange arrow.
42-time.jpgImage Enlarger

 

At measure 21 you would simply play a short F#. Just cut it off.

In measure 5 the green circle. The 4 = 32nd notes equal one eight note which equals a half of a beat.

sp_PlupAttachments Attachments

"The richest person is not the one who has the most,
but the one who needs the least."

Avatar
Freq
Advanced member
Members
April 7, 2013 - 11:21 am
Member Since: April 1, 2013
Forum Posts: 88
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Pfish! Thank you so much. I have been avoiding this part of playing violin. But i think it is important to learn this if I want to evolve as a violinist. 

The guy you posted a link to is actually the one I have been watching to learn the tunes. He plays so clean and correctly.  I'm not following his pace yet:) At least not on this tune.

 

RosinedUp, thanks for the links. I've bookmarked them so that I can revisit them the next time i'm stuck:)

 

Fiddlerman: Thank you for elaborating on this subject. This part, the counting part seems really difficult. Isit usual that people count the lenght of the notes when they are playing? 

Practice don't make perfect, practice makes permanent.

Avatar
Fiddlerman
Fort Lauderdale
April 7, 2013 - 7:43 pm
Member Since: September 26, 2010
Forum Posts: 11694

Frequenzy said
Fiddlerman: Thank you for elaborating on this subject. This part, the counting part seems really difficult. Isit usual that people count the lenght of the notes when they are playing? 

After playing the different rhythms enough you begin to have a feel for them. It's very common that we count while playing though.

Have you tried my counting game?

"The richest person is not the one who has the most,
but the one who needs the least."

Avatar
RosinedUp
Honorary tenured advisor
Members

Regulars
April 22, 2013 - 7:47 pm
Member Since: September 7, 2012
Forum Posts: 985
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Somebody has seen fit to award me one star on my post above.  I guess this means someone thought my post was worth less than nothing---that I shouldn't have done it.

I made the kind of post that I would have wanted had I asked the question.  I guess it's like giving a fish versus teaching to fish.  I would want to know how to fish instead of to be begging for fish.

Really I would like to know what someone found so bad about it.

 

Avatar
Kevin M.
Nicholson, Pa
Members

Regulars
April 22, 2013 - 8:39 pm
Member Since: September 10, 2011
Forum Posts: 1957
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

RosinedUp,

It could be that someone is using a tablet. The slightest touch and all sort of things happen. using my Kindle Fire I accidentally reported a post. Once you touch it you can not undo it.

Avatar
Kevin M.
Nicholson, Pa
Members

Regulars
April 22, 2013 - 8:41 pm
Member Since: September 10, 2011
Forum Posts: 1957
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

By hitting 5 stars I got you up to 3 gold stars.

Avatar
RosinedUp
Honorary tenured advisor
Members

Regulars
April 22, 2013 - 8:53 pm
Member Since: September 7, 2012
Forum Posts: 985
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
10sp_Permalink sp_Print
0

Kevin M. said
By hitting 5 stars I got you up to 3 gold stars.

ROFL, thanks, Kevin.

Avatar
OldCrow
Advanced member
Members
April 22, 2013 - 8:54 pm
Member Since: March 30, 2013
Forum Posts: 70
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

RosinedUp said
I guess this means someone thought my post was worth less than nothing---that I shouldn't have done it.

 

Really?  Why would you think this?  Is one star worse than no stars?  Is this the wordpress equivalent of leaving a penny tip?   Either way I wouldn't lose sleep over it.   The catalog that you order from to redeem your stars doesn't have anything good in it anyway.

Avatar
RosinedUp
Honorary tenured advisor
Members

Regulars
April 22, 2013 - 9:30 pm
Member Since: September 7, 2012
Forum Posts: 985
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
12sp_Permalink sp_Print
5

OldCrow said

RosinedUp said
I guess this means someone thought my post was worth less than nothing---that I shouldn't have done it. 

Really?  Why would you think this?  Is one star worse than no stars?  Is this the wordpress equivalent of leaving a penny tip?   Either way I wouldn't lose sleep over it.   The catalog that you order from to redeem your stars doesn't have anything good in it anyway.

Ha ha, yes, of course, one star is worth less than none.  But, dang, yeah, I do have a book or two of trading stamps somewhere, left over from the early 80's.

Avatar
Freq
Advanced member
Members
April 23, 2013 - 8:11 am
Member Since: April 1, 2013
Forum Posts: 88
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
13sp_Permalink sp_Print
0

@RosinedUp Since this is my topic, I would like to redeem myself of any suspicion:) I appreciated your answer very much. I guess I could have searched for these things myself, but it isn't easy when I don't know what to search for. Anyway, I was the one who asked, and I was the one who was answered, and I am thankful for those who provided the answeres. Please provide me with answers again if I'm stuck :)

Practice don't make perfect, practice makes permanent.

Avatar
coolpinkone
California, the place of my heart
Members

Regulars
April 24, 2013 - 12:44 am
Member Since: January 11, 2012
Forum Posts: 3754
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
14sp_Permalink sp_Print
0

Reading late at night... I like this topic and I have had some of the same questions...I can sometimes figure it out, but it doesn't always mean I can play. So I like all the questions and all the answers.

:)

Vibrato Desperato.... Desperately seeking vibrato

Avatar
Worldfiddler
Members

Regulars
April 24, 2013 - 9:45 am
Member Since: April 22, 2012
Forum Posts: 436
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
15sp_Permalink sp_Print
0

In addition to all the helpful answers, I'd like to say a few things.

Some 'unwritten rules', or more accurately, conventions.

It may be obvious to many, but a lot of people ask about fingering and bowing, so this might be of some help if there are no bowing or fingering marks on the music.

Using the original pic as an example, here's what happens : lead-in notes (if slurred with a line) are usually done on an up-bow, so the first note of the first main bar is played on a down-bow. If there no bow markings at all, in a piece with groups of four notes, you would normally start the first main bar on a down-bow. If there are two separate untied lead-in notes, the first note would be a down bow (so you still have the down-bow on the first main bar note).

If you do come across a bow marking well into the piece, it will usually be there to denote an unexpected change, like two consecutive bows in the same direction (the composer or arranger will have a reason for this). 

So, from there on, it's really D-U-D-U unless otherwise marked, so that you have a regular rhythm going, with possibly the accent on the 'D' (down-bow).

As for fingering - if the piece starts in 1st position, as this one does, there's an assumption that you will stay in first position and use normal fingering (1-2-3-4 for consecutive ascending notes).

Any note above the B on the 'E' string will usually require a change of position, to either 2nd or 3rd position.

On an E note with no fingering mark, the choice will be yours as to whether you play an open E, or use 4th finger on the E-note of the 4-th string. It depends on what notes you are playing just before, and just after, the E (for ease of playing), or on the tone you want (bright for open E, mellow for 'closed' E).

These are just some basics, and by no means are set in stone :)

Mr Jim

 

PS Coolpinkone .. I noticed your 'vibrato' footnote .. have you seen my vid on this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTzxcKl9ZqU

 

 

Avatar
Fiddlerman
Fort Lauderdale
April 24, 2013 - 3:19 pm
Member Since: September 26, 2010
Forum Posts: 11694
16sp_Permalink sp_Print
0

Maybe I should remove the star system????
I don't like judging people personally. Let ye be judged......

It's kind of like when we had the votes for the best overall video. Boy what a mess that became for no apparent good reason.

"The richest person is not the one who has the most,
but the one who needs the least."

Avatar
Worldfiddler
Members

Regulars
April 24, 2013 - 3:55 pm
Member Since: April 22, 2012
Forum Posts: 436
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

"Maybe I should remove the star system????"

 

What? Is this something that everyone knows about except me? I must have missed the start of this topic from way back...

Mr Jim dancing

 

Avatar
RosinedUp
Honorary tenured advisor
Members

Regulars
April 24, 2013 - 4:13 pm
Member Since: September 7, 2012
Forum Posts: 985
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Fiddlerman said
Maybe I should remove the star system????
I don't like judging people personally. Let ye be judged......
It's kind of like when we had the votes for the best overall video. Boy what a mess that became for no apparent good reason.

I would not say to remove the star system.

I'm not crushed or anything by getting one star.  Mainly it would only hurt my feelings if I thought I got one star from you, Pierre, or from the OP @Freq.  It seems pretty clear that it didn't come from either of you two, and I thank you both for saying so.  I expect it's just someone misguidedly trying to make himself look good.

Also I am thankful that I didn't get a bunch of sympathy stars in response to my question about who gave me one star---not that I didn't appreciate the one 5-star vote that I did get!

Avatar
RosinedUp
Honorary tenured advisor
Members

Regulars
April 24, 2013 - 4:22 pm
Member Since: September 7, 2012
Forum Posts: 985
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
19sp_Permalink sp_Print
0

Frequenzy said
@RosinedUp Since this is my topic, I would like to redeem myself of any suspicion:) I appreciated your answer very much. I guess I could have searched for these things myself, but it isn't easy when I don't know what to search for. Anyway, I was the one who asked, and I was the one who was answered, and I am thankful for those who provided the answeres. Please provide me with answers again if I'm stuck :)

Yes, kind of embarrassing, isn't it?  LOL.  Thank you and you are welcome.  After you thanked me in an earlier post, I didn't think it was you.  Not much more to say ...

Avatar
Picklefish
Merritt Island, Fla
Pro advisor
Members

Regulars
April 24, 2013 - 5:31 pm
Member Since: June 25, 2012
Forum Posts: 1281
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
20sp_Permalink sp_Print
0

@Worldfiddler, Mr Jim thats good stuff right there! (your vid on vibrato) Thanks for sharing.

"Please play some wrong notes, so that we know that you are human" - said to Jascha Heifetz.

No permission to create posts
Forum Timezone: America/New_York

Most Users Ever Online: 231

Currently Online:
37 Guest(s)

Currently Browsing this Page:
1 Guest(s)

Members Birthdays
sp_BirthdayIcon
Today Ginnysg
Upcoming HeadCheese, lakelivr, harvestman, fiddlinmama

Top Posters:

coolpinkone: 3754

Mad_Wed: 2849

Barry: 2661

Fiddlestix: 2637

Oliver: 2439

DanielB: 2379

Member Stats:

Guest Posters: 1

Members: 3549

Moderators: 0

Admins: 2

Forum Stats:

Groups: 16

Forums: 56

Topics: 6439

Posts: 80296

Newest Members:

coreshanethi, wisco kid, Yael, tobypaul, Yogesh Thakur, Eudora

Administrators: Fiddlerman: 11694, KindaScratchy: 1650