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If there exist photogenic people, do there also exist audiogenic violinists?
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Are violinists as capricious when listening to themselves playing on recording, as when people are in general watching photos of themselves? People in general don't like photos of themselves, can there be a similar effect of sound?

 

There exist photogenic people (that are not necessarily as beautiful in real life) and those that are totally non-photogenic (even if they are good-looking). Do there exist audiogenic violinists and violins?

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That is a good question Lena,

Let's look at it from the photogenic point of view to begin with. When a person looks at their picture and they don't like the way that they look, do others feel the same way about it? I am fairly certain that most people look at that same picture differently than the actual subject.

Probably the same way with audio-genic, so to say. The person doing the recording hates to hear themselves because they are so sensitive about their own playing while others may love it, or at least not feel as though the performance is all that bad.

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I hate listening to myself play on recordings. I don't think that I ever kept anything that I have recorded. I guess I am one of those capricious people that Lena is talking about Yell

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I read also in Steinhardt's "Indivisible by four", that different violins could be different audiogenic. Apparently, they had a difficult time to record due to that one of them used a modern violin, which sounded much crappier on recording than the other instruments, while in reality being equally nice. But how does THAT work?!

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Good question. Why would one violin sound nice live and bad on a recording?
I wonder if that has to do with the type of microphone that they used. 

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The difference between achieving 'equal' pleasantness of sound live or recorded could be something relatively minor; such as using a different type string, or changing diameter of the set.

 

With all the parameters (equalization technology) available today one would think any harsh sounding harmonic / frequency (odd order) could be diminished or the sweet ones (even order) be enhanced.

 

I always loved to listen to my pickin' and fiddlin', but only when all the notes were played where and when they were supposed to be played, but that wasn't very often.

 

Now, SINGING was a different game because I once could run with the best.Cool

John

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John, I would love to hear you sing. Cool  Do you ever sing while playing the fiddle?

Any recordings?

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I went to 'smashville' in 1974, fresh out of the Marine Corps. Met up with an old 'cotton patch' friend who I learned was hyping 'you can be a star' recording sessions, at Fred Carter's, "Nugget" in Goodletsville.

As it turned out I got a session,with all the "Hee Haw" back up singers, Larry London on drums, Tony Migliori-piano, Steve Schaeffer-bass, Buddy Emmons-steel, Dale Sellers-banjo & lead guitar, some dude from Canada on harmonica, and Fred himself on dobro.

Of course, nothing came of it... Not having the desire to break the sob's neck , while trying to deal with a 'crazy as a loon' wife, I took a job with a bar-hoppin' road band, the leader / singer of which couldn't carry a tune in a dump truck.

How's that for starters?

John

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I love it. Thanks for sharing. Laugh

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I don't like hearing recording of my voice because they don't sound like what I hear when I speak (I hope that makes some sort of sense). Perhaps there is a similar phenomenon when playing an instrument. Because our point of view when playing is unique, we might not sound like ourselves when listening to a reording.

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lenasv. said:

Are violinists as capricious when listening to themselves playing on recording, as when people are in general watching photos of themselves? People in general don't like photos of themselves, can there be a similar effect of sound?

 

There exist photogenic people (that are not necessarily as beautiful in real life) and those that are totally non-photogenic (even if they are good-looking). Do there exist audiogenic violinists and violins?

I think this question is g8! I have never thought about it this way! I personally can't stand to hear myself recorded (I am a singer), but when hearing others opinions they are very different from my own. 

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Listening to recordings of yourself singing will make you a much better singer. I'm quite used to the sound of my own voice recorded now, but every flaw becomes much more apparent when recorded. If I'm made aware of my mistakes then I know what I need to improve. I'm sure this applies to violin as well, since what you might not notice when your concentration is on playing is probably noticeable to others (although they almost certainly wouldn't be as harsh a critic as yourself!)

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Microphones have different characteristics, as does every other piece of gear.  That is why some people think an SM-58 (for example) is the best mic in the world, while other people sound and do better with something else. 

Some people also just have voices that sound better when recorded than others.  Some radio DJs, even back in the old days before assorted enhancements, had what was called the VoG or "Voice of God" where they just sounded great on the air.

Violins are complex instruments with rich harmonic content, so it stands to reason some might sound better with a certain mic (or other gear in the audio chain to the recorder) than others.

Also some performers can, by instinct or luck or training, get more "pizazz" out of a recording session than others who may sound fine in person.  It can be due to a lot of factors, but envelope and harmonic content are usually the most obvious causes.

Also you have to consider that while a microphone "hears" only a single spot of sound, the vibrational sound field of a violin is a complex 3 dimensional thing that shifts with every little move the player makes.  It doesn't just emit sound from the top, but some also through the back and directly from the strings, and so on.  That is before you even consider reflections of the sound off walls and floor, which also constantly shift because the player moves the instrument when playing.  This is one of the reasons it is considered notoriously difficult to mic a violin and really get a great result.  A grand piano, for example, is also complex so far as sound field, but it doesn't move when it is played.

Sorry for the "tech geek" answer, but one of the questions on the final for a recording class I took in college years ago was something like "What is the most difficult orchestral instrument to mic properly for recording?  Explain."  ...and the correct answer was violin.

"This young wine may have a lot of tannins now, but in 5 or 10 years it is going to be spectacular, despite the fact that right now it tastes like crude oil. You know this is how it is supposed to taste at this stage of development." ~ Itzhak Perlman

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