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John Rafeek
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I'm searching for a music high school scholarship or any scholarship that fits me as i want to learn music deeper .
i googled alot but i got to a dead end 
i'm completely lost.
I would appreciate it much if you can help me 
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Have you researched at your local library?  In the States our public libraries have holdings of all the grant, fellowships and scholarships information offered by many different foundations, businesses and clubs.

Don't discount clubs.  Our garden club gives a yearly scholarship of $1,000 to a student studying agriculture.

A bit of advice mentioned to my daughter I will pass on - She was in Education and was told to look at scholarships given to those studying teaching people with disabilities - she did not want to teach children with disabilities, but selected a few classes in order to qualify for the scholarship. She loved the classes and is presently teaching children with disabilities!!  She did receive the scholarship!!

Have you asked at local music stores?  Getting a job at the local music store might open a door for you.

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True - Libraries tend to have a lot of information on grants and such. In Sweden my wife borrowed a book with hundreds of grants with interesting criteria. Sometimes they could be as crazy and specific as for example a grant for the sole daughter of a bald grey male widower in his 60's, etc..... and some grants are never awarded because no-one applies for them. It's definitely worth checking out.

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that option isn't available in Egypt
sorry :D

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i really did a lot of research

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Next thing to try - get a job at a music store.  Just hanging around a music stores can increase your knowledge.  If you are lucky they have jams, or maybe you could start one and meet there at the store.

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Try something like this:
https://fundly.com/

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@Schaick  there aint good music schools in Egypt that is what I'm trying to say so hanging out in a music store won't help anyway besides there aint in my town

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Dear pierre 
thanks for helping me i was trying to get throught that website but I'm not from US Canada or Australia and i don't know any zip code for them

i guess you helped me much more than i expect
now i think I'm such a waste of time for all 
thanks alot all for your help you can stop wasting your time with me if you wish

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John Rafeek said
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now i think I'm such a waste of time for all .....

  LOL - nonsense @John Rafeek - you're not wasting anyone's time - it was a fair question to ask - I can't assist - but I, and I'm sure all of us, wish you success in your quest !

 Oh - before I just say that and go - have you considered this - it will NOT get you a scholarship - but all the same, it may well help you "learn music deeper" -  have you investigated any on-line courses?  

Places like https://www.coursera.org/  - I did a couple of quite specialised (nothing whatsoever to do with music!) courses with them ( and they are free ) - the courses are relatively short - maybe up to 10 or 12 weeks - but speaking from my own experience in the ones I did - they were exceptional, and very demanding.  

I do not of course know about any of their music courses - but it is worthwhile "keeping an eye open" - since individual courses, especially the "in depth ones" tend to be run only once a year - and only get advertised maybe 2 - 3 months before they start - maybe worthwhile just signing up with them and getting their emails  ????  Possible ?  

If there is any "down-side" to these courses - well - sure - if you do the homework exercises ( you don't ACTUALLY HAVE to - you can just learn from them without getting graded ) - if you do get the grades - and a "certificate" - it is probably not worth much "in the real world" - but you WILL have learned from some of the world's finest lecturers / tutors.  Although not a "scholarship", for a "deeper understanding" it may be worth investigating that.  ( Coursera is the only one I'm familiar with, but there are other on-line course providers )

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Coursera does have free options for most of their courses.  To get a "verified certificate" you have to pay.  But some classes also offer a "statement of accomplishment" for free, and those that don't, you can still take and will get a grade.  Just not any sort of a document.  I don't know if even their "verified" option is actually worth anything towards getting a degree, so far as if any college would give you credit for having taken them. 

I took four of their courses over the past couple of months, and that amounted to a fair bit of work.  Some are easy, and some definitely take some hours every week, much like any college classes would.  A lot of good material and information, though, and I could recommend them to anyone wanting to up their musical education a bit.  I'm tentatively signed up for a couple more of their courses that start in January.

Again, it is not a direct path to a degree, so far as I can see.  But knowing stuff is part of what getting a degree is about, and the better you know your field, the better you tend to do in a college environment. 

I wasn't taking it with that sort of a direction in mind.  I wanted to "up my game" in music a bit, refresh on some theory, get some new ideas cooking... Build up some forward inertia.  Practice is good, practice is great.  But from my own experience, I feel that education is also a necessary part of the never-ending quest to "get good" or "stay good" in music.  Practice alone just isn't enough, since understanding what you are doing and why are important parts of knowing what to practice.  

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OH!  I get it.

Hey if you need zip codes for the US.

https://tools.usps.com/go/ZipLookupAction!input.action

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DanielB said
Coursera does have free options for most of their courses.  To get a "verified certificate" you have to pay.  But some classes also offer a "statement of accomplishment" for free, and those that don't, you can still take and will get a grade.  Just not any sort of a document.  I don't know if even their "verified" option is actually worth anything towards getting a degree, so far as if any college would give you credit for having taken them. 

I took four of their courses over the past couple of months, and that amounted to a fair bit of work.  Some are easy, and some definitely take some hours every week, much like any college classes would.  A lot of good material and information, though, and I could recommend them to anyone wanting to up their musical education a bit.  I'm tentatively signed up for a couple more of their courses that start in January.

Again, it is not a direct path to a degree, so far as I can see.  But knowing stuff is part of what getting a degree is about, and the better you know your field, the better you tend to do in a college environment. 

I wasn't taking it with that sort of a direction in mind.  I wanted to "up my game" in music a bit, refresh on some theory, get some new ideas cooking... Build up some forward inertia.  Practice is good, practice is great.  But from my own experience, I feel that education is also a necessary part of the never-ending quest to "get good" or "stay good" in music.  Practice alone just isn't enough, since understanding what you are doing and why are important parts of knowing what to practice.  

  Hi Dan, absolutely - I did the "astronomy" course with them ( and no, it had nothing to do with knowing where Arcturus was in the sky or anything like that (well, I suppose it was, just remotely) !  More like sub-atomic physics - WAY cool !  ) and other related courses.... it's a bit like fiddlerman.com  I can't rate them highly enough - and yes - exactly - I don't "need" qualifications / certifications any more - but - for those that are still "on their way" - be it astronomy, sub-nuclear physics, or music, it can't hurt to get more knowledge...  that is for sure...    And oh - did't know about the "verified certificate" - that must be after my time ( or not obvious in the last courses I did about 2 years back... hmmm yeah, would have been about that long...  anyway, didn't see that at that time - of "course" they are trying to monetise the on-line learning thing - I would say - grab it while it's free and be part of it !  Nothing better !

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I agree that the Coursera classes are a good way to supplement our learning.  I took a class recently.  I loved it so much and learned so much and learning how to teach the violin actually helped me learn to play a bit better.  

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@BillyG @DanielB @Schaick 

Thanks all for your support 
you really helped me and i appreciate that
but what about composing and music production that is what i  aim to 

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i found some of them on Coursera but i think i want to dedicate my life and my next years for this purpose funds are not important the problem with that i don't know the  place i could apply to and start learning as i said before what i was thinking  about is music high school i could apply to
instead of sitting in Egypt watching my dream getting disappear as time runs 

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I don't know much about music high schools. johnrafeek.  I went to regular high school and didn't even take music until I went to college.  They sound like a cool idea, if you can manage it though.

The courses I took on Coursera recently were

Developing Your Musicianship

Songwriting

Introduction to Music Production

and the same one Toni took, Teaching Violin and Viola: Creating a Healthy Foundation

The first three dealt a fair bit with basics of music composition and production.  Not a bad introduction, if it is all you can get.  I wouldn't suggest taking them all at once like I did, though.  LOL  It took a fair amount of work every week to watch the lectures and do the work and participate in the student forums (required for some of the classes).  They also have other courses for music composition, appreciation and history for different genres and music theory as well as some other aspects of things like sound engineering. 

I can understand wanting to find an environment where you can immerse yourself in music and live your dream.  I honestly hope you find a way to do that.  But if you don't, the info is out there.  If maybe you don't end up finding a music high school you can manage to get into, don't let it stop you.

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Hello. You could check in with a local community college and see if they have advice. Most community colleges, even for high school level, offer or know of scholarships available to students of all levels. Most of them you only need a C average to qualify for.

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@DanielB thanks for your support Daniel i will continue searching everywhere and even if i didn't find anything that won't stop me

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@Tyberius  such local college advice aint available much here in Egypt

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