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Question About Jazz Dorian Scale Rhythm
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CanyonWalker
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Hi guys.  On the Dorian Scales sheet music study, it says "When practicing these scales do not play even eighth notes.  Play the 1st eighth note as 2 tied triplet eighth notes followed by a normal triplet."  Is this a swing rhythm?

I'm having trouble with this.  Is there a video or sample song where I can hear this rhythm?  I really need to hear this, as I think this is more of a "you have to feel it" thing, rather than read it off standard notation.  Thank you!

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CanyonWalker,

Welcome to the Forum,

I do believe that is a swing rhythm, some where on this forum I believe there is a video demonstrating it. I took a look but I did not see it maybe some one else will remember where it is.

 

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Hia @CanyonWalker - perhaps this is the vid - the one by FM where he talks about the triplets/swing thing -  - it's just a short discourse and example but it makes the point....

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Welcome to the forum @CanyonWalker.
You hit the hammer on the nail, swing rhythm is correct.
You can practice the scales any way you want but someone suggested it for feeling.

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Guys thanks for the warm welcome and the helpful replies.  I appreciate it.  This is an awesome forum and thanks to Fiddlerman for hosting it.

That video is what I thought the rhythm was.  To me, that rhythm is more of a sequence of a dotted eighth with a 16th, per beat, because 2 tied triplet eighth notes followed by a normal triplet doesn't add up to one beat and hence 4 beats in 4/4 time since one triplet is one beat.  Ah well that doesn't matter; it's the feel that matters and that's why I needed the video.  I believe the effect is more subtle than tied triplets or a strictly dotted rhythm. 

I was listening to Oscar Peterson "C-Jam Blues" from the Night Train album and the rhythm he uses on his songs is exactly that but it's pretty subtle.  In that song you can also hear the Dorian scale and piece-parts of the scale all through the song.

Now, what guitar chords would I play behind the C Dorian scale?  Like a Dmaj7?  Thanks guys!!!

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CanyonWalker said
.....To me, that rhythm is more of a sequence of a dotted eighth with a 16th, per beat, because 2 tied triplet eighth notes followed by a normal triplet doesn't add up to one beat and hence 4 beats in 4/4 time since one triplet is one beat.  Ah well that doesn't matter; it's the feel that matters and that's why I needed the video.  I believe the effect is more subtle than tied triplets or a strictly dotted rhythm. 

  LOL - too much analyses - but - I think you got it precisely.   

  I don't play much of that style, and when I do try, it's for educational / inspirational purposes, but the same applies exactly to "fiddle" tunes....  it's the "feel".   Folks often misunderstand me because I say I "play by ear" - that doesn't mean that sheet is not important - of course it is - and it is ALWAYS a "starter-for-ten" (unless it's a total improv).   Or, unless you are part of an orchestra or ensemble where you MUST play largely in time - if you are soloing or leading - it is "what YOU BRING to it" to make it your own - listen to me - as if I know - well I DO know - but I'm still a beginner on fiddle and still working to "own it"... LOL

  There's a whole heap of stuff on "basicmusictheory".com - this is not precisely what you were asking - but gives a view of the chords "related" to that scale - https://www.basicmusictheory.com/c-dorian-triad-chords and is a great site to research....

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CanyonWalker said

Now, what guitar chords would I play behind the C Dorian scale?  Like a Dmaj7?  Thanks guys!!!  

to the best of my knowledge, the primary chord for Dorian is min7...so Cmin7.

if you just did a vamp back and forth from Cmin7 to Fmaj, it would give you plenty of room to play C dorian. For a more complicated progression, I'd hafta put a little time into it, which I don't have right at the moment. I've got a chart showing 30 possible chords for all modes in all keys. Unfortunately, I can't up load it.

Are you into other modes? I've been studying the church modes for years. My favorite is Lydian, and after that, Phrygian, although it's more difficult to find songs / chord progressions etc. for these two modes.

Welcome to the Forum from Calgary Alberta.

...woops, I just noticed the link that Billy G put up..you've prolly already checked that out.

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