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Stiff bow shoulder from weights or bad technique?
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cokronk
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January 25, 2018 - 5:55 pm
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I’m a fairly new player. I’ve been play for probably more than six months and I’m doing pretty ok with my previous background. I also lift weights 3 times a week as I’m trying to lose some weight and put on some muscle in the mean time. Lately I’ve noticed after playing through a song or two my bow shoulder hurts north of the shoulder blade. Is this a by product of the gym or just bad form/bad equipment. I had my stentor 2 restrung with d’addario strings and thought they were better than the cheap Chinese steel that came on it, but after playing some violins that ranged from $1,000 to $2,000 it just seems like it takes a lot more force to press the strings on this violin.

 

so suggestions? Technique? Deal with it? Buy a better violin where it doesn’t take anywhere as much pressure to press the strings down. For reference it feels like my violin has strings on it compared to a bass guitar where those others had light electric guitar strings. 

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January 25, 2018 - 6:38 pm
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Regarding your violin, yes the action is usually higher on student instruments since they don't pay that much attention to creating the perfect surface for the fingerboard (bumps exist here and there) and a higher action prevents the string hitting those bumps and buzzing while you play. Also the fingerboard my have a way too deep scoop. But essentially that's why it requires more pressure to push down on the strings, since they're higher up. 

Let's discuss both cases 🙂 So first.. let's talk about the violin playing.. technique / equipment..  

Regardless of what you're doing with the violin you need to make sure it's always a fairly comfortable position.. So make sure you have the proper shoulder rest.. adjusted to be the most comfortable it can get, chinrest.. etc.. When bowing try to be relaxed and only use your shoulder when you should. (a slight forward movement when playing near the frog.. and the up / down motion when crossing over to different strings) 

Getting a new violin is always nice 🙂 But this isn't a problem with the violin, I mean the fact that you have to press harder IS a problem of the violin, but that won't really cause shoulder pain, especially in the bowing shoulder.. unless it makes you really really tense for some awkward reason... 

Now for the fitness stuff... 🙂

First of all, you didn't really go into detail as to what kind of exercises you do, but whenever anything involves repeatedly raising your arms while standing (shoulder press... lat raise.. stuff that brings your arm above your head) etc.. make sure you don't have an interior shoulder rotation. (your shoulders aren't more in front than your chest / collarbone). When that happens your shoulder joint isn't properly pulled back into its socket (that's why it's hard raising your arm overhead in the first place in that posture) and the repeated movements cause damage to your shoulder. So just keep in mind that you do all your exercises with proper form. Also try not to listen to bad advice you might get in a gym from other random people and research the exercises you're doing 🙂 (in fact go right ahead and research the stuff I just told you! ha!) 

Anyway.. to relieve the pain stand with your back against a wall.. hold out your arms to the side with the back of your hand touching the wall, with a very slight bend in your elbows (just a tiny one, like the natural bend it gets when you turn your palm forward). Start lifting your arms slowly (same movement pattern as a jumping jack would be, only super-slow), while making sure that your shoulders, your elbows and the backs of your hands are all touching the wall. At some point near the top your elbows might come off the wall depending on how flexible you are, but that's okay 🙂  What this will do is pull your shoulders further back into their sockets and temporarily relieves all the pain. It's like a nice stretch 🙂 repeat it like 4 times and you should be able to get back into playing. 

Keep us posted and good luck 🙂

Cheers,

Ferenc

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January 26, 2018 - 4:54 pm
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Could be the weights and it could be your technique. Do you find it gets worse after working out or worse after lifting weights?

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I used to have this the first year of playing. It was my tension and technique.  I can't offer you  advice on how it went away... My guess is that I relaxed my arm a bit. 

Good luck on the fitness too... I have been playing tennis... I was worried that it would hurt my bowing arm when I got back to tennis, but it actually seems okay... so far.

Not a spring chicken here. 🙂

Cheers and good luck.

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January 31, 2018 - 2:37 pm
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coolpinkone said .................
Not a spring chicken here. 🙂
Cheers and good luck.  

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I had this too a while back. (when i started it was my upper back between my shoulderblades, later on this spot right on the top of the tip of the shoulderblade) This is something I've suffered from on and off for a few years, most likely because of work. I do a lot of static motions with my arms at work which has caused me problems with my shoulders the last couple of months. My physiotherapist says it's this muscle that goes through the shoulder, I am assuming a rotator cuff. It get overworked, and swells so it gets pinched = impingement syndrome. I've looked at musclecharts and this muscle attaches to the shoulderblade right at that spot, so it's probably connected. He gave me a couple of exercises to do, and also showed me how to stretch this muscle. If it doesn't go away I suggest you see a physio to get some advice and find out what might have caused it. 

Before my current shoulderissues started, I still felt this particular pain you're on about. BUT it got a lot less and almost disappeared after I got a higher chinrest. It let me lower the shoulderrest just a bit so my arm didnt have to come up so high. But this is my LEFT shoulder. But I guess it could have the same effect if you have to lift your right arm higher to hit G string. Lifting your arm above your shoulder isn't the best for your body. 

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