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TerryT
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moving the finger slightly so its a chance in tension on the string rather than a rocking motion of the finger.

 

Is this a cheat? bad technique? ok in the right circumstances?dazed

 

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Can you hear the vibrato when you do this? Is the sound good?

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@Terry...you mean like 'bending a guitar string'?

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Yes it's quite clear as a vibrato, I guess I picked it up from the small attempts I tried on the guitar, but due to the lack of frets it seems easier on a violin.
I'll try and do a video of it

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I'm an absolute newbie (as opposed to someone being modest); and I worked for several hours to get my vibrato going while trying to rock my finger back and forth; and I just can't get it yet.  So, I too tried the string stretch like you would on a guitar and, as Terry mentioned, it does work more easily on the violin, but to my untrained ear, it sounds more like a "warping" of the note than a vibrato of the note.  But Terry, I've had the exact same question you posed, is it a valid vibrato.

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I wouldn't say that something you do and works for you is invalid. I really would like to say that anything that you feel works and sounds good is OK.
I would imagine that the intonation drops on the strings though doesn't it after a while? It's probably a good solution for you where as if you were to play more complicated pieces with more speed and more expression you probably wouldn't get enough speed or width using that kind of vibrato.

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I can say that if it works for you and it sounds great to others it is ok.

I've been playing guitar for 30+yrs and playing violin since only this last summer. I'm developing some cool guitar style vibrato for violin but the violin neck is so small that I do understand the difference in vibrato techniques.

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Yeah, after trying it a few times, this kind of " warbling" does seem a bit 1 dimensional as it relies only on the distance /amplitude (if that is the correct word) between a string on the fingerboard to off the board , compared to the tonal variation given by rolling the finger back and forth on the knuckle.

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also, trying to play a simple slow single note piece and insert the "string stretching" vibrato you speak of might work... but... when you advance to the intermediate level and start playing faster pieces, you will be able to do a 'proper' vibrato much easier and much faster than attempting to stretch or bend a string repeatedly to simulate vibrato and you will not be able to do it properly next to a string you need to move to or cross to quickly and cleanly. Sliding the string to produce this simu-vibrato will get in the way then and your progress will be stifled severely.

Learn it the right way first then you will have less to learn properly later. Start with FM's videos on finger vibrato first, then progress to the hand and then to the arm vibrato... I use a combination of all three because I'm not skilled enough yet to do just one style during my practice. In time I feel positive I will be able to train my arm and fingers to separately do what I demand of them... 

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My vibrato at the moment comes from running my finger up and down the string trying to find the right note!

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LOL Terry

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cdennyb said

Start with FM's videos on finger vibrato first, then progress to the hand and then to the arm vibrato... 

 

I just started last night trying the arm vibrato and I couldn't really make anything interesting happen.  I assumed FM wanted us to go from arm to hand to finger since the videos were ordered that way, but now that you mention it, I think it might be easier to start with the fingers and work the other way?

I'll give it another go tonight.  I've got a few slow waltz pieces I want to learn and it would be really nice to fit some vibrato in there to make them interesting.

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Nice Terry... LOL I started with the fingers, specifically the middle finger then the riing finger and finally the index... It's hard no doubt about it and it will take awhile, perhaps months of daily practice to get it down. Don't give up and the way I practice is just sit or kick back and play notes, make up something as you go along and hold them for a long time, make your finger vibrate as you want while doing long bow strokes.

Don't worry, at first you will have a hell of a time getting the two coordinated. I'm still having issues on occasion.

Finger first, then hand, then arm and when you start trying find a way to place the scroll of the violin against something, a desk, a wall, anything solid so you can not worry about supporting the neck with your left hand. It should just be floating out there free to move back and forth as you create the vibrato sound. 

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Don't expect vibrato to come right away. Vibrato is difficult and can take a while to catch on to but once it comes it's like BINGO!!!!

I'm not saying that it is easy automatically once you get it but it's all uphill after that.

I like the idea of starting with arm vibrato. It doesn't really matter but keep your hand round and be erect on your finger tips to start. Possibly more fat (flat) of the fingers, weight on the left side of the fingers, and pull your whole arm back keeping the finger contact on the fingerboard. Allow the finger joints to move and the finger tip to roll back, then back to the start position. Do this slowly for a while and on all fingers until you can work up the tempo.

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an interesting insight into what I was trying to explain. 

Cant find it again, but a guy called Todd Ehle, said that maybe 2 from 30 of his studies could suddenly do vibrato by applying this "impulse" method. Apparantly if one gets really frantic with it, the vertical movement of your hand becomes lateral "proper" vibrato.

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Terry said

Yes it's quite clear as a vibrato, I guess I picked it up from the small attempts I tried on the guitar, but due to the lack of frets it seems easier on a violin.
I'll try and do a video of it

That would be great if you can do a video because it sounds sort of like the kind of "vibrato"  that I sometimes find myself doing and that sort of came naturally to me.  However, I am trying to learn the regular arm, wrist, finger vibrato techniques.

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I would love to see a video as well. I've really been practicing vibrato correctly for the violin lately but I do have that natural guitar style vibrato and I know that won't work in the long run and as cd mentioned there is just not enough room on the violin for what I think you are mentioning ? The violin neck is just too damn small 😉

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When I first started vibrato, I had a tendency to use my arm. My teacher told me to start by just trying the motion of moving my fingertips on the strings and eventually the wrist and hand vibrato would develop. 

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