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Vibrato, Vibrato, wherefore art though Vibrato!
90 day experiment- lets see if I can do it.
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Well kids it aint gonna be pretty but I thought it might be interesting and mildly amusing to me at least to do a video diary from start to end of the learning process. I will be using all the youtubes vids on this subject everyday including Fiddlermans vids. Since this is supposed to be slow going I will do a weekly update to see how I evolve. I understand the keys to a good vibrato and am not sure what kind since none of the vids match each other, there is arm wrist hand finger etc. If I have any aha moments or stumble accross an epiphany I will let you know. lol this is my starting point vid.

http://youtu.be/OR2ABvnnhzQ

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Oh my!!!!  The flashbacks!!! LMAO  

For the longest time, I was thoroughly stumped when it comes to vibrato!  .....actually, I know I'm missing the finer details, but I can create a sound the somewhat resembles vibrato now. ;-)

Just a small suggestion, you might want to take off your watch for now.  One of the problems I had at first was that my right hand/wrist/arm were way too tense.  Taking my watch off helped the process a bit!  

I can't wait till you have your "moment" when it all comes together!  I remember mine well!  It came at 2am and I shouted "are you kidding me, Really?!?"  .....and promptly woke up my wife! LOL  

Keep up the good work!!

“Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn.” ~Benjamin Franklin

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I've had this 90 day concept in my head for a while now. Its kind of a P90X approach to training lol. Also that guy that wrote Four Hour Chef had a inspirational hand in it too. So we shall see, I hope it doesnt take longer than 90 days but not really sure actually how long it will take. we shall see.

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Those type of repetitive approaches actually work really well with some!  It reminds of the "Suzuki Method" of learning!  I went through part of it when I was training on Trumpet.  It's definitely a lot of repetition and just engraving fundamentals into your brain.  

I almost thought about doing that when I first picked up the violin, but it doesn't go well with a spine injury! LOL  Plus, I love my laid back approach for the time being......although it does wreak havoc on my fundamentals! dunnoexactly

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Suzuki trumpet? thats awesome, Im using the Suzuki materials for guitar and piano also. I like that all the songs are pretty much the same.

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Yeah I've heard its one of those things that just kinda "clicks" into place.

My instructor has me starting with arm vibrato. Once that works, will move on to wrist then finger vibrato.

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What an interestin video, Robert! Am i mistaken, or You really want to do vibrato in opposite direction? Looks like You're pushing the wrist too much towards to yourself..dunno

That will be an interesting topic!

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90 days. Although, I am not a fan of "X" days to paradise or perfection or the gas chamber for that matter. Repetition is good if you are doing things properly. If not, you will reinforce the "wrong". So, I urge you to move forward cautiously.

 

Good luck PF. Starting something is the only way to accomplish your goal.

 

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That vid just shows my current knowledge and starting point, Ive given myself 90 days of daily practice to see how long it will take me and what quality vibrato I can produce. Yes, after watchin FM's vids and others I realized instantly I had it wrong. lol. I will post a prog vid each week and we will see. If it inspires anyone else to try it with me well, the more the merrier.

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I applaud you on your drive. Keep working on it. I myself am just slightly ahead of you. I am sure in no time you'll pass me by on the journey to Vibrato enlightenment.

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Ty- I love your darth vader quote by the way. 90 days of deliberate focused practice on the things I want to improve, vibrato is one of them. Basically look at any skills list and thats what I want to improve, lol! anyways.

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I recently learned how to get some vibrato out of my playing as well. I am doing arm vibrato mostly but I can tell when I get into it I start doing wrist vibrato. What I did is stop worrying about the physical motions I was doing and I shut my eyes and tried to make the "noise" that I wanted from my notes. Instantly I was able to do it. So I don't know, I think the harder we try the hard it is to do it. It worked for me to "let go and listen." Now I play Greensleeves and vibrato every note in the song for practice. Just food for thought. One noob to another. :)

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Good project, pfish. There will be many things beginners can learn from your vids. And yes, you might get it perfect before your 90 day experiment over.

Looking forward to more of your vids.

Thanks for posting it.

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Rob!!! Post often... I know that  I will note this date and do some daily practice on this... I soooooooo am seeking vibrato. Maybe watching your progress will help me.. yay for vibrato.. I have faith in you. Thanks for starting this.

 

PS... FM  has great videos on Vibrato... I am just Vibrato "dumb" right now... woo hoo..

yay vibrato... my life will change when I can do it.. :)

 

 

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Well the Fiddlerman vid on Arm vibrato, hand and wrist vibrato amongst the others for bowing, tone production and techniques are the primary resources for me during the next 90 days. As I mentioned Vibrato is but one area of improvement I am seeking but I didnt want to make 12 video threads on each area, lol. Yall might throw me out!

I am also using the youtubes videos of Professor V (Todd Ehle), The violin lab, the violin site, online violin and piano tutor to name a few. Most teach the same basic techniques as Pierre does which reinforces my feelings of why go anywhere else, hes got everything right here. Ah, but I am a natural born wanderer so why should the internets be any different.

I am only doing a weekly update so the results will be the most contrasted as possible. I am excited to be able to control the spasmodic qualities of the wrist movement and create a pleasing sound.

I do feel this is a uphilll battle much the same as the one undertaken by Mr James in Here comes the boom! Great movie by the way, not sure if he learns vibrato by the end but they save the music program! (spoiler alert)

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Great idea Rob, can't wait to see your progress with this!  I've tinkered with vibrato (though I shouldn't be yet lol) and it does sound like the note is wavering a bit but far from what it should sound like.  I tend to just kinda wiggle my finger a bit and it wavers the pitch ever so slightly, teacher will I'm sure smack my hand with the ruler to get it right haha.  Good luck on your journey and looking forward to the next vids!

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So far I can move the hand back in slow mo and the two middle fingers are moving like they should. Its a weird kinda pressure point to push with a finger yet be able to glide the hand back and forth. I havent quite got the arm movement yet that feels weird. I'm still goin at it.

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pfish said
Well the Fiddlerman vid on Arm vibrato, hand and wrist vibrato amongst the others for bowing, tone production and techniques are the primary resources for me during the next 90 days

I do feel this is a uphilll battle...

Why is it an uphill battle, pfish? It's just a violin technique among others, sometimes would take a long long time to master, many got it and many don't. Those who don't acquire it still can play beautifully.

Yes, FM had the best vibrato tutorial vid series and I've learned a lot from them. In fact that was the initial reason why I registered in this forum after watching/learning from his tutorials.

Keep practicing and posting your vid so we can learn as well.

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uphill as a metaphore for a challenge is all I meant. "It's a belly rub, pat head then change direction of belly rub without missing a beat" type of activity. certainly not impossile but def a challenge..

Ok how many tried to change direction?

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Vibrato has been that elusive accomplishment that drives me nuts at times.  I can make the correct sound when working the fundamentals (slowly) but when I try to speed it up, it either doesn't work at all or I end up "bouncing" on the strings.  Most of the time, it feels like I have little control.  I think much of my problem is that it's just so difficult for me to hold my arm under the violin and I have terrible flexibility in my writs and fingers.  I'm determined to figure this out though so I look forward to seeing your vids on how you progress.

"I know a girl who cries when she practices violin because each note sounds so pure it just cuts into her, and then the melody comes pouring out her eyes. Now, to me, everything else just sounds like a lie."

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