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Violin Beginner
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OMGitsDannie
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I start my life as a violinist tomorrow, any tips for a beginner?

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1. Patience !!  This is not an instant gratification instrument.

2. read all you can, here and elsewhere . Learn the part names,open notes,etc

3. try to practice everyday

4. use a mirror or video recorder to check straight bowing, good posture

5. HAVE FUN !!

 

Welcome aboard Dannie, sure others will have lots of tips. You found a great place to learn !!

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Barry summed it up very well.

Number 5 in Barry's list is actually real important. Enjoy your new journey.
Rome was not built over-night.

If you feel yourself tensing up, take the time to shake it off and reexamine your posture and technique. Many times musicians tense one muscle for using another without even knowing it. Play as relaxed as you can to get as many hours out of it as possible.

Watch as many beginner videos as you can. Get a few beginner books such as Essential Elements books 1 to 3. Listen to a lot of fiddle and violin music.

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I really agree with number 3thumbs-up

 

15-20 minutes a day is far more productive than a couple of hours on Sunday!

 

Welcome to the world of long term gains in little bitty steps! LOLcheers

"If you practice with your hands you must practice all day. Practice with your mind and you can accomplish the same amount in minutes." Nathan Milstein

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Thank you for the tips :) i have been playing my violin for a few hours now and i'v managed to learn vibrato and i'm starting to remember the notes

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hopefully you didnt learn from this guy. roflolroflolroflol

 

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That was posted one other time, but it's still funny, Dennis.  roflrofl

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Haha that video made me, i got my vibrato by watching one of Fiddlermans videos :)

 

Its been two days since i picked up the violin for the first time and i must say that its quite a fun instrument to learn

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Fiddlestix said
That was posted one other time, but it's still funny, Dennis.  roflrofl

 

Yea, I know it has been, but I couldn't resist after he said he's been playing a few hours and already knew vibrato! cheers

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*she

 

my vibrato inst the greatest but its fun learning and improving 

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OMGitsDannie said
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my vibrato inst the greatest but its fun learning and improving 

Welcome to the forum, OMGitsDannie. There're lots of things to learn here.

It's great to hear that you got your vibrato going well for you.

I've learned from FM vids as well, got the concept and practiced within a couple of hours. And now after two months focusing on vibrato, nothing else, I still could not get it right. For some people, it's second nature....guess not for me...yet...haha.

Hope you improve real well.

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I think my vibrato came quick on violin because i'v been playing vibrato on my guitar for years so i'm used to the vibrato hand motions.

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OMGitsDannie said
I think my vibrato came quick on violin because i'v been playing vibrato on my guitar for years so i'm used to the vibrato hand motions.

Oh, that is nice to know. I agree, having experience playing other instrument would advance your learning much faster.

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I'm not too surprised that you found some vibrato fairly fast, OMGitsDannie.  I don't think the angles used are exactly the same, but it is similar enough that at least some sort of a vibrato can be managed pretty early, if you are used to using vibrato on guitar.  Like slides, it isn't precisely the same muscles moving in exactly the same way on violin and guitar, but the understanding of the basics of how it works makes slides fairly easy to start using on violin, if you are already used to them from guitar. 

One has to remember though that being a fretted instrument, guitar can only do a vibrato up from the fretted note, while violin can also go below.  From what I understand, a "proper vibrato" on violin fluctuates evenly above and below the target pitch, and the amount of "wobble" that is possible in practical playing is also greater.  

Still, some of what is needed for the movement is similar enough, and being accustomed to doing such techniques on guitar helps, I think. 

I've played guitar for over 35 yrs, violin for only a few months.  But I do feel that the two instruments work well together in the sense that practice done on one somewhat helps with playing the other.  One unexpected thing I noticed is that playing violin does help one's guitar playing.  There were a couple months shortly after I got the violin that I was being a bit obsessed with the new toy and wasn't playing guitar much beyond a few minutes of basics every day.  I expected to get rusty, but it didn't happen.  When an old friend dropped by for a bit of a jam session guitar went quite well, as if I had only been slacking on practice maybe a little bit.  Even had a few new licks that I'd developed on violin that transferred to guitar with no real work. 

Guitar and violin have some obvious differences, but do seem perhaps close enough that they somewhat help each other if you happen to play both.  At the very least, though, one doesn't get the standard noob problems of sore fingers and cramping hand muscles.   LOL

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The tips of my fingers are really hard because of my guitar which is really helpful while playing violin :) but the thing that really annoys me the most about violin is that it really hurts my collar and shoulder bones. like really hurts

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OMGitsDannie said
The tips of my fingers are really hard because of my guitar which is really helpful while playing violin :) but the thing that really annoys me the most about violin is that it really hurts my collar and shoulder bones. like really hurts

You need to find an ergonomic solution to relieve  your pain. I still have pain in my right shoulder that wont go away. Once you damage something, its messed up and has to heal. Dont limit your holds and posistions because you were told its the only way. Pain is never good.

"Please play some wrong notes, so that we know that you are human" - said to Jascha Heifetz.

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i think its because my shoulder and collar bones really stick out so im wondering if a shoulder rest might help?

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cdennyb said

hopefully you didnt learn from this guy. roflolroflolroflol

 

LOL is he serious?

It doesn't mean anything unless it's real

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OMGitsDannie said
The tips of my fingers are really hard because of my guitar which is really helpful while playing violin :) but the thing that really annoys me the most about violin is that it really hurts my collar and shoulder bones. like really hurts

 

Is it because of the way the bones have to move to hold the violin?  Or do you mean that the wood of the violin or the metal of the chinrest clamp hurt where they rest on your bones?

"This young wine may have a lot of tannins now, but in 5 or 10 years it is going to be spectacular, despite the fact that right now it tastes like crude oil. You know this is how it is supposed to taste at this stage of development." ~ Itzhak Perlman

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OMGitsDannie - You may very well need a shoulder-rest. One should as soon as possible find a solution that is as painless as possible to make playing as enjoyable and long lasting as possible. One inexpensive and very effective shoulder-rest that seems to be a good solution for many is the Everest Easy Shoulder Rest
http://fiddlershop.com/everest.....-rest.html
It's light weight, strong and very cost effective.

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